[Talk-ca] Vancouver campus data

[Gregory]

I finally got some contact details from my geography teacher that seem like
they might be the place to go. At some point I'll be documenting stuff in
the wiki, so I started now:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:British_Columbia:Vancouver/UBC

<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:British_Columbia:Vancouver/UBC>That
includes a pdf sample of the data. Note it has every single bollard and
cycle rack even if they are bunched up next to each other. However cycle
racks don't have capacity like OSM does, so 4 cycle racks might only take 4
bikes each, or they might take 40 bikes each.

Please comment (on the wiki talk/discussion page?) on my list of what is
good for OSM, soon I will probably be telling them what I'll import.

Greg.

On 29 March 2010 23:41, Adam Dunn <dunnadam at gmail.com> wrote:

> Many bike racks are also under cover (Buchanan and Dempster come to mind),
> so good luck spotting them on Yahoo. I can also attest to the fact that
> Yahoo is not very well orthorectified for UBC, especially in the theology
> department and Gage towers. I think Fairview was okay though...
>
> I don't see how using PlantOps maps to plan a day's outing could be
> considered derivative work though. If Gregory goes to the location on foot
> and marks a gps point for the bollards on Main Mall near Forestry, then it's
> his own work. Looking at PlantOps maps to see that there is something
> interesting in the area shouldn't really count as an original source.
>
> Adam
>
> P.S. Sorry about the duplicate email Russell.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Russell <skiinfobc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately the yahoo imagery in Vancouver isn't good enough to see
>> bike racks anyways :(
>> The yahoo imagery at UBC is distorted also (wavy) on part of the campus.
>>
>> Regardless, if we want to make a demo area at UBC with very high
>> detail mapping, then I would like to help as I am a student out there
>> as well.
>>
>> The orienteering club has done a great job of mapping the campus over
>> the last few years (this is the map from a while ago, now the entire
>> campus is mapped:
>> http://www.orienteeringbc.ca/gvoc/maps/files/UBC.gif)
>> Unfortunately they do trace imagery so it isn't suitable for importing I
>> think.
>>
>> Russell
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Corey Burger <corey.burger at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:00 PM, James Ewen <ve6srv at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Corey Burger <corey.burger at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Bicycle racks would certainly be a welcome addition. I look at the
>> >>> number around UVic and shudder.
>> >>>
>> >>> However, who holds copyright on the data? They need to sign off on
>> >>> importing it into OSM if it isn't licensed under fairly liberal terms.
>> >>> If you don't know then it is likely all rights reserved. Plant Ops may
>> >>> not have the ability to do this. Likely you are going to need to clear
>> >>> it through Legal, which can add time and headaches.
>> >>
>> >> So this brings up a question for me...
>> >>
>> >> If Gregory were to wander around the campus, and mark the bike racks
>> >> on his GPS, and upload that to OSM, it would be completely kosher.
>> >>
>> >> What if Gregory were to plan his outing to collect information by
>> >> referencing the copyright information in the campus map. Would that
>> >> make his information a derivative work? I would think not.
>> >
>> > If you are using the map to navigate, I think there is a pretty strong
>> > argument for deriviativeness. Better to simply wander around and find
>> > them in a very systematic way.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> What if Gregory were to reference the location of the bike racks on
>> >> the campus map, and then use the Yahoo Map images to locate the bike
>> >> racks, and mark them on OSM. Would that now be a derivative work? This
>> >> I don't know...
>> >
>> > Yes, this definitely would be, because there would be no actual ground
>> truthing.
>> >
>> > Corey
>> >
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>> Russell
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Gregory
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