[Talk-ca] PEI is the next coolest province (delayed reaction)

[Bégin, Daniel]

Hi folks,

The next PEI release from GeoBase/NRN will contain civic address range data.  I know this is not as detailled as what is actually available in Osm but if you decide to remove it you will have an alternative soon.

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-ca-bounces at openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ca-bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of steggink at steggink.org
Sent: 11 février 2010 08:13
To: Robert Shand
Cc: Peter Rukavina; Michel Arsenault; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] PEI is the next coolest province (delayed reaction)

Hi Bob,

Since there was never an agreement from the government of PEI, the best thing would be to remove the data from OSM asap, even though it looks pretty cool. Making a legally unencumbered geospatial dataset is the main goal of OSM, and not just generating pretty maps.

Instead of taking screenshots right before removal, it is also possible to render a separate set of tiles. Then this data can be made available as an experiment, like what I did with the Quebec administrative boundaries a few weeks ago: [1]. I can help you set it up if necessary. With this, the PEI government can be approached again, so they will still get a sense of how it looks like. Otherwise, you can show them the case of Denmark, where all addresses have been imported in the entire country.

By the way, glad you mention the new service which visualizes the dupe nodes. I've been using it to remove duplicate nodes of the import of hydro data in Quebec. It is especially cool that it is updated very quickly (lv 7+), so one has a good sense of progress :)

Regards,

Frank

[1] http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~fsteggink/quebec_admin.html

Quoting Robert Shand <bob at shand.org.uk>:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I've been looking in the PEI address details lately.
>
> In July 2009 Peter Rukavina contacted the provincial Government to   
> enquire about the copyright status of the PEI civic address data and  
>  to see if they would be willing to open the data up for inclusion   
> into OSM.  Unfortunately shortly after, and before a response was   
> received there was a government reshuffle, and nothing further   
> happened.
>
> In October 2009 Michel Arsenault contacted Peter regarding the civic  
>  address data.  Michel tried contacting the government on several   
> occasions via both email and telephone but unfortunately received no  
> response.  Having not heard back from them Michel prepared the data,  
> tagged the source for easy removal (just in case anyone
> contacted  him about the copyright status) and uploaded the data.   
> Michel is  now out of the country and effectively un-contactable until 
> 2011.
>
> Peter floated the idea to Michel about removing the current data and  
> once again making more official lines of enquiry within government.
>   Michel acknowledged that this was fine, and that he'd considered   
> this with the addition of suitable tags.
>
> Finally I was investigating dupes ( using this   
> http://www.opengeodata.org/2010/02/08/screencast-on-how-to-remove-duplicate-node-in-openstreetmap/ ) in   
> PEI
>
> http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/dupe_nodes/?zoom=9&lat=46.51269&lon=
> -63.22347&layers=BT
>
> It appears that the majority of the dupe nodes in PEI are the civic   
> address data that has been imported at least twice for Kings County.
>
> Taking all of the above into account, I propose to the community that
>
> 1) Plenty of cool screenshots of the current OSM map are taken   
> showing the civic address data
> 2) The current civic address data is removed due to i) the Dupe   
> nodes and ii) the current unknown copyright status
> 3) We approach the government again for suitable licensing terms   
> showing them before/after map shots taken from 1. Trying to prove to  
> them the value of opening the data.
>
> What does everyone else think?
>
> Cheers
>
> Bob
>
> On 2010-01-28, at 8:13 AM, Robert Shand wrote:
>
>> There was some talk locally about the civic address import.  I'm   
>> not sure of the exact status on the copyright. I'll dig through my   
>> emails to find out where it got left.
>>
>> On 2010-01-26, at 11:47 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote:
>>
>>> So I was informed today that PEI has already imported the address details.
>>> Im not sure about the copyright on it.  I did message that user,   
>>> so to find out more details.
>>> ie. to contact the government and just ask.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.gov.pe.ca/civicaddress/download/index.php3
>>>
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.16879&lon=-63.35656&zoom=17&lay
>>> ers=B000FTFT
>>>
>>> I remember Richard asking about contacts in PEI, was it regarding this?
>>>
>>> Hopefully the road data will be made available to import.
>>>
>>> According to geobase status, the block face addressing for this   
>>> province is not yet available.  Is it planned for the near future?
>>> http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/data/nrn/status.html
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sam
>>>
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>
>



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