[Talk-ca] Administrative boundaries of Québec

[Nicolas Gignac]

For electoral boundaries, see these links:
- Federal levels
:http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/geogratis/fr/download/electoral.html
- Provincial levels :
http://www.electionsquebec.qc.ca/francais/provincial/carte-electorale/geometrie-des-circonscriptions-provinciales-du-quebec.php

Nicolas

2010/1/19 <steggink at steggink.org>

> Hi Pierre-Luc,
>
> Thank you for your insights. I was under the impression that the
> Communautés métropolitaines had less authority than MRCs, although I
> didn't look into it. If it weren't for these "comet"s (as this dataset
> is called), there wouldn't be a problem.
>
> However, when looking at the extent of the Communauté métropolitaine
> de Québec ([1]), it turns out that it spans multiple regions
> (Capitale-Nationale and Chaudière-Appalaches), so it doesn't fit
> nicely in the hierarchy. I think it would be better to treat them as a
> different entity, and admin_level=6 can be used for the MRCs. The
> Montreal "comet" contains municipalities of even more regions
> (Montreal, Laval, Montérégie, Laurentides, Lanaudière).
>
> Regarding MRCs vs urban areas: I'll check in the data if that
> information can be disseminated. Because they and MRCs are mutually
> exclusive, they can have the same admin_level, but their designations
> should properly reflect the situation. Wikipedia has an overview of
> the agglomerations: [2]. I wonder if this list is really complete, and
> I don't think that all of them are MRC equivalents. In Quebec City
> there are also the enclaves of Wendake (First Nations) and
> Notre-Dame-des-Anges (covering only the Hôpital général de Québec).
> Anyways, I'll use the information from the geodata, and not base
> anything on Wikipedia.
>
> The borough map of Quebec is already outdated. Things got change on
> Nov 1st last year. La Cité and Limoilou have merged, and Laurentides
> has been divided over other boroughs. See [3]. Anyways, a minor detail
> :)
>
> For the other types of boundaries (electorial districts,
> schoolboards), other values for the boundary keys should be used. [4]
> For electorial boundaries boundary=political is used
> ("boundary=electorial" would be better imho).
>
> Regards,
>
> Frank
>
> [1]
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communaut%C3%A9_m%C3%A9tropolitaine_de_Qu%C3%A9bec
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_agglomerations_of_Quebec
> [3]
> http://www.ville.quebec.qc.ca/temp/modifications_arrondissements/index.aspx
> [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:boundary
>
> Quoting Pierre-Luc Beaudoin <pierre-luc at pierlux.com>:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Let's start a thread to create an official organization of the
> > administrative divisions in regards with the numbering in OSM [1].
> >
> > Skipping levels higher than 4 (reserved for things greater than Québec).
> >
> > Here's my first shot based on all the info I could find on the Ministère
> > des affaires minicipales, des régions de l'Occupation du territoire
> > (gosh they like the long names!) [3]:
> >
> > Level 4: Provinces and territories
> > Level 5: Région administratives / Administrative regions
> > (Level 5.5: Here would fit L'Agence métropolitaine de transport, not
> >  worth mapping)
> > Level 6: Communautés métropolitaines / Urbans or metropolitan communities
> > Level 7: Municipalités régionales de compté (MRCs)
> > (Level 7.5: Here would fit the Conférences régionales des élus of
> > Montérégie (which is divided in 3), other CRÉ match their MRC
> > boundaries, but I believe this information is not worth of mapping.
> >  Maps [4]).
> > Level 8: Municipalités et villes / Municipalities, Cities
> > Level 9: Arrondissements / Boroughs
> > Level 10: Quartier / Quarter
> >
> > This list does not contain federal electoral districts, provincial
> > electoral districts, municipal electoral districts, school boards,
> > "Régions municipales de recensement" and "Agglomérations de
> > recensement" [5] (what are theses?). Should we include all of them?
> >
> > Now if you look closely at the wiki table, my suggestion doesn't fit
> > with the rest of Canada: Québec's MRCs would be one level down compared
> > to Ontario.  That's because we have 2 levels between the province and
> > the cities.
> >
> > A real life example would be for the place I used to live in Québec
> > City:
> >
> > Level 4: Québec
> > Level 5: Capitale-Nationale (ref=03)
> > Level 6: Communauté urbaine de Québec
> > Level 7 is N/A (Québec is not part of an MRC, being a big city)
> > Level 8: Québec
> > Level 9: La cité (Map of the borough [2])
> > Level 10: Montcalm
> >
> > I believe it would make sens for all those names show up on a map as
> > they are commonly used.
> >
> > Are there other opinions?
> >
> > Pierre-Luc
> >
> > NB: I believe there was a report from the OCDE stating that Montréal was
> > being over administrated.  I agree :)
> >
> > [1]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary=administrative
> > [2]:
> >
> http://www.ville.quebec.qc.ca/apropos/portrait/arrondissements/lacite/plan.aspx
> > [3] http://www.mamrot.gouv.qc.ca
> > [4] http://www.mamrot.gouv.qc.ca/publications/cartotheque/CRE.pdf
> > [5]
> > http://www.mamrot.gouv.qc.ca/publications/cartotheque/atlas_AR_RMR.pdf
> >
> >
>
>
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