[Talk-ca] Administrative boundaries of Québec

[Pierre-Luc Beaudoin]

On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 19:10 +0100, steggink at steggink.org wrote:
> Thank you for your insights. I was under the impression that the  
> Communautés métropolitaines had less authority than MRCs, although I  
> didn't look into it. If it weren't for these "comet"s (as this dataset
> is called), there wouldn't be a problem.
> 
> However, when looking at the extent of the Communauté métropolitaine  
> de Québec ([1]), it turns out that it spans multiple regions  
> (Capitale-Nationale and Chaudière-Appalaches), so it doesn't fit  
> nicely in the hierarchy. I think it would be better to treat them as a
> different entity, and admin_level=6 can be used for the MRCs. The  
> Montreal "comet" contains municipalities of even more regions  
> (Montreal, Laval, Montérégie, Laurentides, Lanaudière).
Hum, right but I wouldn't put the Comet before regions, I feel they have
less "authority" or cultural relevance.  Let's not forget that all
theses structures are simply committees of elected members.  I think the
best way to see this is that Comets are associated cities (and not MRCs
or regions).  Therefore, why they span over many regions, they are just
a level over cities, but since they tend to cover more land than MRCs,
they deserve to be higher than MRCs. IMHO.

The subject came up with friends last December: why is the south shore
of Québec City a different region? it doesn't make sens hehe Just as the
fact that there is 19 boroughts in Montréal, while New York has 5. :)

> Regarding MRCs vs urban areas: I'll check in the data if that  
> information can be disseminated. Because they and MRCs are mutually  
> exclusive, they can have the same admin_level, but their designations
> should properly reflect the situation. Wikipedia has an overview of  
> the agglomerations: [2]. I wonder if this list is really complete, and
> I don't think that all of them are MRC equivalents. In Quebec City
> there are also the enclaves of Wendake (First Nations) and  
> Notre-Dame-des-Anges (covering only the Hôpital général de Québec).  
> Anyways, I'll use the information from the geodata, and not base  
> anything on Wikipedia.
What do you mean by Urban Areas? Are you talking about Québec (including
the attached cities of L'Ancienne-Lorette and
Saint-Augustin-de-Desmaures?).  If so, yes, they are in all practical
matters MRCs. Same applies for cities that voted for unmerger in 2003.

> The borough map of Quebec is already outdated. Things got change on  
> Nov 1st last year. La Cité and Limoilou have merged, and Laurentides  
> has been divided over other boroughs. See [3]. Anyways, a minor
> detail  :)
Sorry, I haven't kept up to date with Québec's municipal life. :) The
underlying quarter probably still exist.

> For the other types of boundaries (electorial districts,  
> schoolboards), other values for the boundary keys should be used. [4]
> For electorial boundaries boundary=political is used  
> ("boundary=electorial" would be better imho).
Good, that'll keep the levels sane!

Pierre-Luc

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