[Talk-ca] Vancouver campus data

Adam Dunn dunnadam at gmail.com
Tue Mar 30 07:41:56 BST 2010

Many bike racks are also under cover (Buchanan and Dempster come to mind),
so good luck spotting them on Yahoo. I can also attest to the fact that
Yahoo is not very well orthorectified for UBC, especially in the theology
department and Gage towers. I think Fairview was okay though...

I don't see how using PlantOps maps to plan a day's outing could be
considered derivative work though. If Gregory goes to the location on foot
and marks a gps point for the bollards on Main Mall near Forestry, then it's
his own work. Looking at PlantOps maps to see that there is something
interesting in the area shouldn't really count as an original source.


P.S. Sorry about the duplicate email Russell.

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Russell <skiinfobc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately the yahoo imagery in Vancouver isn't good enough to see
> bike racks anyways :(
> The yahoo imagery at UBC is distorted also (wavy) on part of the campus.
> Regardless, if we want to make a demo area at UBC with very high
> detail mapping, then I would like to help as I am a student out there
> as well.
> The orienteering club has done a great job of mapping the campus over
> the last few years (this is the map from a while ago, now the entire
> campus is mapped:
> http://www.orienteeringbc.ca/gvoc/maps/files/UBC.gif)
> Unfortunately they do trace imagery so it isn't suitable for importing I
> think.
> Russell
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Corey Burger <corey.burger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:00 PM, James Ewen <ve6srv at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Corey Burger <corey.burger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bicycle racks would certainly be a welcome addition. I look at the
> >>> number around UVic and shudder.
> >>>
> >>> However, who holds copyright on the data? They need to sign off on
> >>> importing it into OSM if it isn't licensed under fairly liberal terms.
> >>> If you don't know then it is likely all rights reserved. Plant Ops may
> >>> not have the ability to do this. Likely you are going to need to clear
> >>> it through Legal, which can add time and headaches.
> >>
> >> So this brings up a question for me...
> >>
> >> If Gregory were to wander around the campus, and mark the bike racks
> >> on his GPS, and upload that to OSM, it would be completely kosher.
> >>
> >> What if Gregory were to plan his outing to collect information by
> >> referencing the copyright information in the campus map. Would that
> >> make his information a derivative work? I would think not.
> >
> > If you are using the map to navigate, I think there is a pretty strong
> > argument for deriviativeness. Better to simply wander around and find
> > them in a very systematic way.
> >
> >>
> >> What if Gregory were to reference the location of the bike racks on
> >> the campus map, and then use the Yahoo Map images to locate the bike
> >> racks, and mark them on OSM. Would that now be a derivative work? This
> >> I don't know...
> >
> > Yes, this definitely would be, because there would be no actual ground
> truthing.
> >
> > Corey
> >
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