[Talk-ca] Vancouver campus data

[Gregory]

The problem with the GIS guy is that he told me he wanted to say yes but he
can't specifically agree to a certain license. I don't want him to play
dumb.

The Records Manager has been doing a great job of ignoring me. Even when I
went to his office he sneaked out of the window while I waited in reception.
Instead of replying to my e-mail directly he asked the GIS guy about OSM.
The GIS guy is cool so he told me. The answer is no but maybe in the future.

I want to write to the top of the university and say this is good/important
for academic and innovation reasons. It would be really good to point out
that everybody else is waking up to Open Data. Do any of you have
information about the decision of the government to release the CanVec and
Geobase data, why they did it, what they did before releasing it, and how
long it took them to let it go?
The announcement entry at the bottom of the page on
http://data.vancouver.ca/index.htm is helpful in regards to the Vancouver
data. Interesting to note is "The City of Vancouver has  incredible
resources of data and information, and has recently been recognized as the
Best City Archive of the World."(from the pdf file) so UBC can't say their
data is too valuable.

Any links for CanVec, GeoBase, or other appropriate announcements/info would
be helpful.
Thanks.

On 24 April 2010 13:49, Richard Weait <richard at weait.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Gregory <nomoregrapes at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I've been taught by OSM to be doubly sure on the license of data, and it
> > probably differs from usual use because: it's out of academia; it can be
> > used commercially; the attribution to UBC PlantOps is not always visual.
> I
> > had also already sent an e-mail asking the Records Manager.
>
> Well, you (or I or any other OSM contributor) can't speak on behalf of
> OSM and the OSM Foundation.  We can't accept a contract on behalf of
> the Foundation, etc.  So there is nothing that you can do to make this
> okay, without help or some additional steps.
>
> 1) So, you can ask the data donor to agree to contribute their data
> under CC-BY-SA v2.0 the current OSM license.  You should also tell
> them that OSM will transition to ODbL v1.0 in the near future and they
> should agree to that as well.  If they agree to that, get it in
> writing, copy it to legal at osmfoundation.org, make a note on the
> wiki[1] as well.  Then follow the rest of the import guidelines [2]
> and check that the data is actually of high enough quality to be worth
> contributing.
>
> 2) get them to publish their data under the PDDL[3].  This is a public
> domain equivalent and PDDL data can be imported to OSM if the data
> meets the rest of the import guidelines.
>
> 3) or, consider their license, and present it to
> legal at osmfoundation.org for consideration.  Try to point out the good
> and bad points of the license and the potential data contribution for
> the OSMF, they really do have better things to do that to read every
> last bizarre home-grown license from contributors who don't want to
> participate in OSM.  Donors expecting anything beyond mention on the
> Attribution page are probably expecting too much.  Especially small
> donors.
>
> To review, each of us can discuss, guide, and encourage individual
> donors.  With experience we can even suggest what terms are more or
> less likely to be accepted by OSMF.  We can't decide what OSMF will
> accept and we can't accept terms on behalf of OSMF.
>
> Hope this doesn't dampen your enthusiasm.  Just take all the steps and
> ask for help when you need it, perhaps at legal-talk or import lists.
> Keep traffic to legal at osmfoundation.org to a minimum, they're only a
> few volunteers.
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution
> [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_guidelines
> [3] http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/pddl/
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Gregory
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