[Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 66, Issue 13

Sun Aug 18 15:21:04 UTC 2013

Hello,

I'm on the team working on a web site/app to show all Montreal's Green 
Alley.

We have asked for Guillaume's help on how we could use OSM, after I 
proposed to the team to use OSM instead of Google.

As far as Green Alley, most of them would allow cars. But, it's more 
like a service road, to get to your house backyard or for trash pick-up.

In order your, the Green Alley should not be used for a car itineary, 
but could be used by bike or walking of course.

And it's onr aof the goal of the project, show people how to move around 
using Green Allays instead of regular streets.

As far for tagging, would be nice to be able to add some caracteristics 
of the allay and then be able to use OSM as a central database. For 
instance, get the total area of Green Alleys. the data of inauguration, 
contact of the local committe taking care of the alley, etc.

The project is part of the ecoHackMtl (ecoHackMtl.org) activity being 
held on Oct 19.

After the Green Alley, we are looking to add other 'green' places, like 
community compost location, 'Carré d'arbre' (tree square, people are 
invited to take care of the area between the tree and the walkway by 
planting flowers). There is a lot of those 'Carré d'arbre', but no 
complete location.

Pascal Robichaud

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> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:19:54 -0500
> From: Harald Kliems <kliems at gmail.com>
> To: Guillaume Pratte <guillaume at guillaumepratte.net>
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> Hi Guillaume,
> my two cents: since this seems to be a feature that is pretty much unique
> in Montreal, you'll probably have to come up with your own tagging. I would
> not introduce a new tag on the service=* level, as these primarily still
> appear to be alleys and a new tag on that level might break existing
> applications. So I'd say you could come up with something like:
>
> highway=service
> service=alley
> alley=green_alley
>
> plus whatever other characteristics the alley has (surface=*, smoothness*,
> access=*, ...).
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> Cheers,
>   Harald.
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> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Guillaume Pratte <
> guillaume at guillaumepratte.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would like to have some advise on how best identify "green alleys" in
>> OpenStreetMap data.
>>
>> "Green alleys" (ruelles vertes in French) are alleys that a group of local
>> residents embellish with vegetation.
>>
>> Here is the Wikipedia page on the subject in Montr?al:
>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruelle_verte
>>
>> Here is a link in English:
>> http://kandkadventures.com/green-alleys-of-montreal/
>>
>> These green alleys are identifiable because they have dedicated signs for
>> them:
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WTMTL_T52_DSF2289.JPG
>>
>> There are hundreds of them in Montr?al:
>> http://goo.gl/maps/cMaor
>>
>> The project seems unique to Montreal. Other cities have "green alleys"
>> (Chicago, Austin (Texas), Seattle, City of Dubuque and some others), but
>> the program in the states is about the permeability of the pavement:
>>
>> http://www.cityofchicago.org/dam/city/depts/cdot/Green_Alley_Handbook_2010.pdf
>>
>> However, in some cases, like the City of Dubuque, they also have a
>> recognizable sign:
>>
>> http://www.dmgov.org/Government/CityCouncil/WorkshopDocuments/072511Green%20Alley%20Infrastructure.pdf
>> (image on page 14)
>>
>>
>> All of these green alleys are already identified as:
>>    highway = service
>>    service = alley
>>
>> Would it be possible to use some kind of "green alley" tag for these
>> service alleys?
>>
>> Or would it be better to use a more general concept of a "green space" or
>> of a community-driven green project?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Guillaume
>>
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