[Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 96, Issue 1

Paul Ramsey pramsey at cleverelephant.ca
Tue Feb 2 15:48:06 UTC 2016


Yeah, from the outside looking in I'm not seeing the huge surprise.
I'm not a community member, but I saw the initial emails from Mojgan,
and he's also talked to folks face-to-face. I didn't see an email
about the wiki page, but that could be because I wasn't paying
attention. What would a good process look like?

x- email: "hi, I'm a government organization and I'd like to engage
this way, we want to do this"
x- comment/response/refine
x- wiki: "here is exactly what we plan to do and how we are going to do it"
- email: "hi, we now have specific plans and have documented them here
in the wiki for your comment"
- comment/response/refine
- email: "hi, we are going to run a small test import in the following
area for your review, please comment"
- import: "here's a small amount of data, exactly as we'd do it in a
larger area"
- email: "hi, we have run a small test import in the following area,
please review and comment"
- comment/response/refine
- email: "hi, we are about to run our main import in the following
area, please light your hair on fair if you still have a problem with
this"
- import: "boom, there it is"

I did see the first three communications for sure, and maybe missed
one on the wiki. Probably for a big import running a test import first
would be a generally wise approach for getting feedback (similar to
publishing a github branch).

Triplinx has definitely been approaching this in very good faith,
shame to see them get reverted for failing to follow a process that
doesn't seem to be documented. They certainly met the "communicated"
threshold, just maybe not enough or in the right ways for some folks?

P.


On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 6:51 AM, Begin Daniel <jfd553 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Initial misunderstandings, emails round trips with the community… standard
> communication process!
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> I do not know how others a seeing it, but reading about the process you use,
> I do not see anything like a wild bulk import. At least, it is very similar
> to the process I used when importing Canvec datasets.
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>
> Daniel
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> From: Mojgan Jadidi [mailto:mojgan.jadidi at gmail.com]
> Sent: February-02-16 09:33
> To: talk-ca at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 96, Issue 1
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> Hi all,
>
> Please accept my apology for this misunderstanding, I thought our presence
> for last OSM meeting and flowing emails in Talk-ca and with John were part
> of communication and discussion, we launched our wikipage two weeks ago, and
> we did not receive any feedback, so we thought to start import via JOSM.
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> as we expalined in our wikipage, we created the algorithm to detect the
> missing information, and then we check the quality of this information on
> JOSM on the top of OpenStreetMap, Bing Areal imagery, GeoBase Road network
> and some local municpal open data. the data is created initially through
> StatCan, however, we noticed the low quality of StatCan road segment
> geometry, so we deal with this issue by using complement dataset such as
> OpenStreetMap, Bing Areal imagery, GeoBase Road network and some local
> municpal open data. all created nodes and ways are carefully inspected
> visually using above dataset for more that 6 weeks.
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> Our final verification will be on the OSM server (on-line) to avoid or
> detect any issues. Our aim is having high quality address information in OSM
> for sake of community. we were very prudent from the first step to have a
> high quality source of information.
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> I hope that the community will accept our contribution and enjoy to use the
> data.
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> Best regards,
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> Mojgan
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> Mojgan (Amaneh) Jadidi, Ph.D.
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> Postdoctoral Research Fellow
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> GeoICT Lab
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> York University
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> Toronto
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> ca.linkedin.com/pub/mojgan-amaneh-jadidi/10/825/969/
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 18:36:01 -0500
> From: Stewart Russell <scruss at gmail.com>
> To: talk-ca <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [Talk-ca] Triplinx import
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> It seems that this import has started with no discussion. Here's the wiki
> page:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Triplinx_Metrolinx_Import_Plan
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> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 19:14:11 -0500
> From: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> To: Stewart Russell <scruss at gmail.com>, Mojgan Jadidi
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> I had a skype call with Mojgan where we discussed some of the issues and
> there was an email sent to talk-ca on Jan 12th 2016.
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> To me a couple of issues first are that the Stats Canada data was designed
> for Stats Canada use, probably for the labour force survey and as such
> provided the interviewer can see the address from where it is marked on the
> map this is sufficent accuracy.  My concern would be about the accuracy of
> the data.
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> Another issue is do we end up with duplicate addresses?  My concern would
> be do we end up with the same address in two different locations?
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> I think a better solution would be to take a copy of the OSM database,
> strip out the existing address data and drop in the stats data and use the
> copy for their purposes.
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> Cheerio John
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> On 1 February 2016 at 18:36, Stewart Russell <scruss at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> It seems that this import has started with no discussion. Here's the wiki
>> page:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Triplinx_Metrolinx_Import_Plan
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>> Stewart
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> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 19:38:19 -0500
> From: Stewart Russell <scruss at gmail.com>
> To: talk-ca <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Triplinx import
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> Import user is:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Triplinx%20Canada
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> Several 50K node imports today.
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> Stewart
> On Feb 1, 2016 7:14 PM, "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I had a skype call with Mojgan where we discussed some of the issues and
>> there was an email sent to talk-ca on Jan 12th 2016.
>>
>> To me a couple of issues first are that the Stats Canada data was designed
>> for Stats Canada use, probably for the labour force survey and as such
>> provided the interviewer can see the address from where it is marked on
>> the
>> map this is sufficent accuracy.  My concern would be about the accuracy of
>> the data.
>>
>> Another issue is do we end up with duplicate addresses?  My concern would
>> be do we end up with the same address in two different locations?
>>
>> I think a better solution would be to take a copy of the OSM database,
>> strip out the existing address data and drop in the stats data and use the
>> copy for their purposes.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 1 February 2016 at 18:36, Stewart Russell <scruss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It seems that this import has started with no discussion. Here's the wiki
>>> page:
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Triplinx_Metrolinx_Import_Plan
>>>
>>> Stewart
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