[Talk-ca] The Statistics Canada Project

[john whelan]

When I looked through the existing buildings I came across a tag that was
ele often with a value of 2 or 3.  I suspect this is the number of stories
and the same as building:levels which is in wiki/Map_Features.  Could any
one confirm this as it is one of the attributes that Stats Canada is
looking for.

If it is would there be any great objection to me changing the tag to
building:levels as recommended by the wiki/Map_Features?  The alternative
would be to have both tags on the building.

The other thought was although Stats Canada is promoting a customised
version of iD reality is it a lot easier to carry a smartphone or small
tablet and enter tags in the field.  There are a number of editors that run
under Android etc but unfortunately although its easy to add tags to a node
adding them to a building outline is more difficult.

Currently for buildings such as strip malls we have the idea of a building
outline with nodes for each store.  Often the address is on the building
outline but other details such as coffee shop etc are on the nodes.  I'm
wondering if having a node within the building that could be edited by such
things as OSMand etc might be a reasonable compromise.  It would avoid
transcription errors, first writing down the information then returning
home and entering it in iD.

We can build a list of buildings that are missing some tags that Stats
Canada are interested in but how does one draw them to attention to the
mappers with their missing tags?  A customised version of walking papers
perhaps?

Any thoughts on any of the above would be welcome.

Thanks John

On 18 October 2016 at 06:12, James <james2432 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also I forgot about this one: https://lists.openstreetmap.
> org/pipermail/talk-ca/2015-August/006602.html which was on the import
> list and talk-ca(I forgot because it was so long ago)
>
> Which everyone seems to be on board, except for the license. So....license
> is compatible now...
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 9:11 PM, "James" <james2432 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm the one running the tasking manager.
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2016 9:08 PM, "AJ Ashton" <aj at ajashton.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the writeup. I think this is the first post that's made it
>>> fully clear what is going on. As I was re-reading the previous StatCan
>>> thread earlier today I seemed to be missing something - now I guess it was
>>> context available to those who attended in-person meetings. I don't think
>>> it was even clear to the list until now how much in-person community
>>> discussion has been happening.
>>>
>>> Basically the issue is that all the online discussion about this looks
>>> to have been about the StatCan crowdsourcing half of the project and none
>>> at all about the building import half. I didn't pay too much attention to
>>> the original StatCan thread at the time because it so clearly sounded like
>>> a local mapping project with no large-scale import component.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I no longer live in Ottawa and couldn't have made it to
>>> the meetings. However I lived there for many years, have done a lot of
>>> mapping there, and have a continued interest in the area. I would still
>>> like to see the the building import happen and even help out where I can.
>>> But I think it's important to do more planning and discussion on this list
>>> and the imports list, and to take things in smaller and more manageable
>>> chunks.
>>>
>>> I guess the next step would be to continue on a proper path to import
>>> the buildings per the guidelines per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
>>> wiki/Import/Guidelines . This would include:
>>>
>>> - Wiki documentation of the where the data is, what it contains & its
>>> license / permissions
>>> - A plan to conflate with existing data - preserving history, keeping
>>> existing attributes, and merging addresses onto buildings where possible
>>> before the data is uploaded
>>> - A specific plan for uploading the data. Eg how the data will be
>>> divided up into chunks and step-by-step instructions for JOSM, etc. A task
>>> server was mentioned several times - who is running this and how can others
>>> participate?
>>> - A proper review on the imports mailing list
>>>
>>> I don't necessarily agree with every single rule in the import
>>> guidelines, but they are what the community has decided on and I think for
>>> the most part they help avoid the kinds of issues I had with deleted and
>>> duplicated data in Ottawa.
>>>
>>> --
>>>   AJ Ashton
>>>   aj at ajashton.ca
>>>
>>>
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