[Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Matthew Darwin matthew at mdarwin.ca
Mon Feb 19 22:00:53 UTC 2018


I respectively I contend that it is not all abbreviations in OSM needs 
to be expanded, not withstanding of the general direction to expand 
abbreviations in OSM.  It is illogical to change the well used name of 
a location.

There is even a wiki page which has been around since 2010 that lists 
some exceptions to what should be expanded in the UK: 

On 2018-02-19 04:49 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote:
> I continue to assert that our (OSM's) name=* wiki states these abbreviations should be fully expanded and that official_name=* might hold the abbreviation.  In short, "them's the rules" in OSM:  part of why I'm pounding so hard on this is that I might get some recognition that OSM does have rules to follow.  (Slavishly?  Well, perhaps yes, perhaps no, but please analyze and fully understand the issues before taking exception to them).  There are good reasons for this "no abbreviations" tenet which have to do with software parsers being able to do sane things.
> Jarek and I have exchanged opinions, though what he distilled for me from his point of view is that "software parsing of names is fraught with problems..." and so we should/must "fix these problems in the data."  Again, I respectfully disagree:  the data are to be full names without abbreviations SO THAT software parsers have a consistent set of data to use.  This is at least partly why official_name and loc_name exist.
> I realize that as somebody from outside Canada, some may feel I clomp clumsily here, as I don't want to get in the way of "how Canada does things."  However, what we are talking about is "how Canada does things IN OSM" and about that, I am not outside the tent, I am inside of it.  I continue to respect good dialog while realizing that all of us, as we display our passion in this forum, "wish to do the right things."
> SteveA
>> On Feb 19, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Kevin Farrugia <kevinfarrugia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> St. Catharines was founded by Loyalists, so they would have been English speaking making comparing with Quebecois names isn't the greatest idea.  Ontario's place names generally have more in common with British convention than with French/Quebecois historical conventions.  The city's corporate name uses "St." as does all city and provincial spellings of their name.  In the end, the province has the authority to make a municipal name "official" and their spelling is only ever found as "St." in any document.
>> -Kevin Farrugia
>> kevinfarrugia at gmail.com
>> On 19 February 2018 at 15:31, Ga Delap <gadelap at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:56:20 +0100
>>> From: Jarek Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca>
>>> Cc: talk-ca at openstreetmap.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names
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>>> ... It is not clear to me that "Saint Catharines" is the
>>> correct unabbreviated version of the city's name. In fact it looks
>>> incorrect to me.
>>> --Jarek
>> Since St-Catharines is of french origin, why don't you look at what they did on the other side of your language border?
>>    Sainte-Catherine
>>    Sainte-Catherine-de-Hatley
>>    Sainte-Adèle
>>    etc
>> dega
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