[Talk-ca] BC2020i OSM Distributed Model and Education

Jonathan Brown jonabrow at gmail.com
Tue Jan 30 15:49:16 UTC 2018 

I don’t mind reviewing the OSM education wiki for lessons learned and “promising practices” and seeing how it might inform the design of a mapathon event aligned to the K-12 curricula and postsecondary capstone project model. It will be messy, but that’s the nature of the beast. To use the jargon, start small, fail fast and apply what you learn to the next event. 

Durham Region is planning on hosting a mapathon event as early as this March. I’m working with the GIS Supervisor who also teaches GIS to 2nd year environmental science students at Durham College. I also have a teacher who is very good at working with students who normally would not participate in these kinds of events, but who have street knowledge. 

Jamie Boyd and Moses Iziomon at the Treasury Board’s Open Government branch may have some funding to support Alessandro’s group in helping to engage the OSM “crowdmappers” and citizen science practitioners. This could align to their 2 year open government plan http://open.canada.ca/en/4plan/creating-canadas-4th-plan-open-government-2018-20. They are looking for workshop ideas for early May. 

Does anyone know of OSM expertise that we could tap into for a mapathon event in the Durham Region? Thanks. 


Jonathan 

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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 21:11:04 -0500
From: Matthew Darwin <matthew at mdarwin.ca>
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+1

Unless someone has lots of $$$ to throw at OSM work (which could then 
fund full time coordinators, trainers, lawyers, etc), the only way I 
see to coordinate is to approach it like how OSM in Canada was build 
up to now... distributed model with local groups doing what makes 
sense for their area.   There is, of course, no way to map all 
buildings in Canada by 2020 this way.  Still it is good to set 
aspirational goals...

On 2018-01-29 08:57 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:
>
> Il faut une part de réalisme. Pour bien coordonner, il ne suffit pas 
> de créer une tâche et d'inviter à participer. Nous ne sommes pas une 
> communauté structurée au niveau national.  Je comprends que diverses 
> universités s'intéressent au projet OSM et aimeraient initier leurs 
> étudiants à ce projet. La meilleure solution je pense c'est de se 
> mettre en contact avec la communauté OSM locale et s'assurer de bien 
> encadrer la formation et les premiers jours de participation à OSM.
>
> Les contributeurs sont davantage actifs dans leurs communautés 
> locales ou selon leur divers intérêts liés à leur travail ou loisir. 
> Personne n'est prêt à s'engager à coordonner un tel projet au niveau 
> national.

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 and I think I agree with Pierre the best approach would be to do it a step
at a time using experienced local resources.

We do need to engage with high schools and the Universities but it is
difficult with the resources available.  There is some material available
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Education but it would need reviewing
to see if it is relevant to what is required.

We were exceptionally fortunate in Ottawa with the pilot and the resources
we had available but even there I wasn't certain we would be able to pull
it off.

Cheerio John


2018-01-29 21:11 GMT-05:00 Matthew Darwin <matthew at mdarwin.ca>:

> +1
>
> Unless someone has lots of $$$ to throw at OSM work (which could then fund
> full time coordinators, trainers, lawyers, etc), the only way I see to
> coordinate is to approach it like how OSM in Canada was build up to now...
> distributed model with local groups doing what makes sense for their
> area.   There is, of course, no way to map all buildings in Canada by 2020
> this way.  Still it is good to set aspirational goals...
> On 2018-01-29 08:57 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:
>
>
> Il faut une part de réalisme. Pour bien coordonner, il ne suffit pas de
> créer une tâche et d'inviter à participer. Nous ne sommes pas une
> communauté structurée au niveau national.  Je comprends que diverses
> universités s'intéressent au projet OSM et aimeraient initier leurs
> étudiants à ce projet. La meilleure solution je pense c'est de se mettre en
> contact avec la communauté OSM locale et s'assurer de bien encadrer la
> formation et les premiers jours de participation à OSM.
>
> Les contributeurs sont davantage actifs dans leurs communautés locales ou
> selon leur divers intérêts liés à leur travail ou loisir. Personne n'est
> prêt à s'engager à coordonner un tel projet au niveau national.
>
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 21:26:28 -0500
From: Matthew Darwin <matthew at mdarwin.ca>
To: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] using image recognition to create building foot
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I will re-write the "project management" section of the wiki page to 
align with this discussion.

On 2018-01-29 09:17 PM, john whelan wrote:
> and I think I agree with Pierre the best approach would be to do it 
> a step at a time using experienced local resources.
>
> We do need to engage with high schools and the Universities but it 
> is difficult with the resources available.  There is some material 
> available https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Education but it would 
> need reviewing to see if it is relevant to what is required.
>
> We were exceptionally fortunate in Ottawa with the pilot and the 
> resources we had available but even there I wasn't certain we would 
> be able to pull it off.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
> 2018-01-29 21:11 GMT-05:00 Matthew Darwin <matthew at mdarwin.ca 
> <mailto:matthew at mdarwin.ca>>:
>
>     +1
>
>     Unless someone has lots of $$$ to throw at OSM work (which could
>     then fund full time coordinators, trainers, lawyers, etc), the
>     only way I see to coordinate is to approach it like how OSM in
>     Canada was build up to now... distributed model with local
>     groups doing what makes sense for their area.   There is, of
>     course, no way to map all buildings in Canada by 2020 this way.
>     Still it is good to set aspirational goals...
>
>     On 2018-01-29 08:57 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:
>>
>>     Il faut une part de réalisme. Pour bien coordonner, il ne
>>     suffit pas de créer une tâche et d'inviter à participer. Nous
>>     ne sommes pas une communauté structurée au niveau national.  Je
>>     comprends que diverses universités s'intéressent au projet OSM
>>     et aimeraient initier leurs étudiants à ce projet. La meilleure
>>     solution je pense c'est de se mettre en contact avec la
>>     communauté OSM locale et s'assurer de bien encadrer la
>>     formation et les premiers jours de participation à OSM.
>>
>>     Les contributeurs sont davantage actifs dans leurs communautés
>>     locales ou selon leur divers intérêts liés à leur travail ou
>>     loisir. Personne n'est prêt à s'engager à coordonner un tel
>>     projet au niveau national.
>
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 23:05:51 -0500
From: Matthew Darwin <matthew at mdarwin.ca>
To: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] using image recognition to create building foot
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Ok, just I had to re-write more than just that one section to make it 
coherent.   Hopefully the page has a bit more logical structure now.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020

Comments and edits welcome!


On 2018-01-29 09:26 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
>
> I will re-write the "project management" section of the wiki page to 
> align with this discussion.
>
> On 2018-01-29 09:17 PM, john whelan wrote:
>> and I think I agree with Pierre the best approach would be to do it 
>> a step at a time using experienced local resources.
>>
>> We do need to engage with high schools and the Universities but it 
>> is difficult with the resources available.  There is some material 
>> available https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Education but it 
>> would need reviewing to see if it is relevant to what is required.
>>
>> We were exceptionally fortunate in Ottawa with the pilot and the 
>> resources we had available but even there I wasn't certain we would 
>> be able to pull it off.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>>
>> 2018-01-29 21:11 GMT-05:00 Matthew Darwin <matthew at mdarwin.ca 
>> <mailto:matthew at mdarwin.ca>>:
>>
>>     +1
>>
>>     Unless someone has lots of $$$ to throw at OSM work (which
>>     could then fund full time coordinators, trainers, lawyers,
>>     etc), the only way I see to coordinate is to approach it like
>>     how OSM in Canada was build up to now... distributed model with
>>     local groups doing what makes sense for their area.   There is,
>>     of course, no way to map all buildings in Canada by 2020 this
>>     way.  Still it is good to set aspirational goals...
>>
>>     On 2018-01-29 08:57 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:
>>>
>>>     Il faut une part de réalisme. Pour bien coordonner, il ne
>>>     suffit pas de créer une tâche et d'inviter à participer. Nous
>>>     ne sommes pas une communauté structurée au niveau national. 
>>>     Je comprends que diverses universités s'intéressent au projet
>>>     OSM et aimeraient initier leurs étudiants à ce projet. La
>>>     meilleure solution je pense c'est de se mettre en contact avec
>>>     la communauté OSM locale et s'assurer de bien encadrer la
>>>     formation et les premiers jours de participation à OSM.
>>>
>>>     Les contributeurs sont davantage actifs dans leurs communautés
>>>     locales ou selon leur divers intérêts liés à leur travail ou
>>>     loisir. Personne n'est prêt à s'engager à coordonner un tel
>>>     projet au niveau national.
>>
>>
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