[Talk-ca] Montréal: Inconsistency in Public Transportation Provider's Name

[Jarek Piórkowski]

Hi all,

Damien's question appears to be about nodes like
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/438843513, which has
name=Berri-UQAM, operator=Société de transport de Montréal.
short_name=STM seems inappropriate here, we could do
operator:short_name=STM or something but it seems a bit much.

The nearby station https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/26233453 has
name=Jean-Drapeau, network=STM, operator=Société de transport de
Montréal which seems like an attempt as good as we might get. Commuter
rail station https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/548900549 has
network=RTM, operator=Réseau de transport métropolitain which fits
that scheme as well. Similar with a random bus line on North Shore
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3472432

Looking through map very casually I didn't see any operator=STM on the
subway. I did see it on a bus line
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/270258 but changing it to
network=STM and operator=Société de transport de Montréal seems like
it'd be fine there IMO.

To me "operator" looks a bit more little technical than the other
tags, so to me it would be alright to use the longer more formal name.
But I wouldn't edit-war anyone about it. I'd say run a query, see
which is more common currently, ask people here (as you've done), then
after a week change the minority tags to match.

--Jarek


On 11 July 2018 at 04:45, OSM Volunteer stevea
<steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:
> Hello Damien:
>
> I'm "meh, OK" with an operator=STM value, but I freely say I haven't checked in completely with whomever you mean by "the minority."  (I "haven't heard of" any controversy one way or the other, STM or full-name.  But that isn't saying much on my part).  I watch what's up with North American rail and it seems that key-value pair is somewhere around the beginning of correct, at least from my perspective, fwiw.  Being right on it (there) you are way more on it than I am.  I'm sorta like a linguist here.
>
> However, OSM does have a short_name key and I'd be even better with short_name=STM or alt_name=STM and operator=Société de transport de Montréal if you want to get dotting-of-i and crossing-of-t about it.
>
> I mean, there are wiki pages on loc_name, nat_name, official_name, short_name, alt_name and more, it's a slightly rich and deep topic in OSM and in our wiki.  I say STM is somewhere around alt_name or short_name.  That is one person's opinion.  What happens, happens.  I'm a guy typing words right now, so, yeah.
>
> I also I notice when people get my name exactly right, as I appreciate that.  And look at that, both of us got "Société de transport de Montréal" exactly right too (twice), making it a good candidate value for the name=* key.
>
> SteveA
> California
>
>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Damien Riegel <damien.riegel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>
>> I'm new to this list so please forgive me if this topic has already been discussed.
>>
>> In Montréal, the public transportation provider is the "Societé de transport de Montréal", more commonly known as STM. Some (the minority) nodes use the full name, all the others use the acronym. it would be great to get rid of that discrepancy.
>>
>> If I had to give my opinion on the matter, I'd say "STM" is more appropriate as almost everything is branded under the "STM" name (for instance the website is https://stm.info, their Facebook page is called "STM - Mouvement collectif"), so that's the name people use. I think that also explains why "STM" is way more common as operator value than the full name.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Damien
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