[Talk-ca] Route reference tagging: time for change?

[Jherome Miguel]

Again, anyone in favour of dropping “PTH” and “PR” on Manitoba provincial
highways?

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 12:15 PM Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sorry, should have pressed “Reply All”. Forwarding to list.
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> From: Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Route reference tagging: time for change?
> To: Andrew Deng <andrewdeng93 at yahoo.ca>
>
>
> We’ll, I don’t know well why our neighbours south of the border add state
> abbreviations to state highway/road numbers, but I think this is an
> evolution from using ref= values based on those used by state departments
> of transportation for inventory purposes as well as signs. I can remember
> seeing ref= with SR (State Route) and SH (State Highway) around 2015 to
> 2016 before the OSM US community moved towards using values prefixed with
> state postal abbreviations since SR and SH are too common across many
> states, though there are notable exceptions to the guideline like M-XXX for
> Michigan state highways (Kansas state highways uses similar values as well,
> being K-XXX, as found on their signs with a yellow sunflower outline, but
> they seem to have been mostly replaced by KS XXX) as well as various
> subtypes of state highways in Texas (Loop Roads, Beltway 8, Spur Roads,
> NASA Road 1, Farm to Market Roads, Recreational Roads and Ranch to Market
> Roads. Texas state highways usually use TX XXX). On US Routes, US is mostly
> not found in signs for most of the states except California, but I would
> assume it’s used nationwidr for consistency across states as well as for
> disambiguation. On the Interstates, it’s obvious why there’s the “I”before
> the number: it’s a shorthand for Interstate which can be seen on signs
> though it’s small print when viewed from a distance.
>
> Back on the main topic, considering many argue against adding province or
> territory postal abbreviations, I think we can keep on using bare numbers
> for provincial/territorial highways, but add RR/CR/MR for Ontario municipal
> roads for disambiguation. I agree, as Andrew has said, there’s some former
> provincial highways that are now officially “ABC County/Regional/Municipal
> Road XXX” but still called “[King’s] Highway X”. This change would also
> benefit some municipal roads that are tagged primary, usually those that
> are recently “downloaded” from provincial maintenance, since some renderers
> still show them as using provincial highway shields even they’re long gone
> from MTO’s maintenance and the signs changed (and some are renumbered such
> as former Highway 7 through Peel, which is now RR 107, the 10 being added
> to distinguish it from RR 7 that existed when Highway 7 is still under MTO
> maintenance).
>
> Again, on Manitoba ref= tagging, anyone in favour for or against getting
> rid of PTH and PR?
>
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