[Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec
Jherome Miguel
jheromemiguel at gmail.com
Mon May 10 18:54:00 UTC 2021
It may not be a tagging for the renderer issue, but it also has something
to do with Ontarians saying “(road name) exit” instead of “exit (number)”
as in Western Canada. Don't know how do Québécois refer to autoroute exits.
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> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm new to the list, but I'm reviving an older discussion about dealing
> with freeway/expressway/parkway/autoroute exits in Ontario and Quebec that
> use the name=* key to represent destination names that could be tagged on
> the ramp than on the exit. I've been able to mop some of these out in
> places such as the 412 and the 418, and part of the 407 in the GTA, the 401
> around Windsor, Autoroute 5 around Gatineau, and a short segment of the
> Conestoga Parkway at Kitchener-Waterloo, but there are thousands of these
> that remain, whether it be on the 400-series highways, the autoroutes of
> Quebec, or even Toronto's expressways like the Gardiner or the Allen. Some
> of my changes reverting those addition have been undone by others. Most of
> these are added by a user named “BlueJaysFan86”, while some around
> Gatineau, Montreal, and Quebec City are added by a few others.
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> From: James <james2432 at gmail.com>
> To: Jherome Miguel <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario
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> I think we were following this convention:
>
>
> https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/adding-exit-and-destination-signs/
>
> On Sat., May 8, 2021, 4:34 p.m. Jherome Miguel, <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I'm new to the list, but I'm reviving an older discussion about dealing
> > with freeway/expressway/parkway/autoroute exits in Ontario and Quebec
> that
> > use the name=* key to represent destination names that could be tagged on
> > the ramp than on the exit. I've been able to mop some of these out in
> > places such as the 412 and the 418, and part of the 407 in the GTA, the
> 401
> > around Windsor, Autoroute 5 around Gatineau, and a short segment of the
> > Conestoga Parkway at Kitchener-Waterloo, but there are thousands of these
> > that remain, whether it be on the 400-series highways, the autoroutes of
> > Quebec, or even Toronto's expressways like the Gardiner or the Allen.
> Some
> > of my changes reverting those addition have been undone by others. Most
> of
> > these are added by a user named “BlueJaysFan86”, while some around
> > Gatineau, Montreal, and Quebec City are added by a few others.
> > _______________________________________________
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> Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 19:35:09 -0400
> From: Jarek Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca>
> To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario
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> Unfortunately It's a pretty usual OSM problem... editors are at fault
> for tagging for the renderer, and osm-carto is arguably at fault for
> rendering name=* on exit nodes. [1]
>
> Tagging destination as name of node gets pretty unwieldy with names
> like "Kipling Avenue;Islington Avenue;Park Lawn Road", but other than
> the ref, name is the only tag that renders, so in it goes...
>
> Personally I agree with not having the destinations in the name, but
> it might be a bit of an uphill battle here - be sure it's one you want
> to spend your energy on.
>
>
> [1] I think the initial idea in Europe was that this would be used for
> junctions that actually have names like "Denham Interchange" or
> "Dreieck Barnim" ("Freeman Interchange" is one I know of in Ontario).
> >From my Canadian point of view these would be better on a
> locality-style node in the middle of the junction, or a relation
> containing the junction nodes, not tagged on several exit nodes. But
> that's not really a thing, so here we are.
>
> --Jarek
>
> On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 16:47, James <james2432 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think we were following this convention:
> >
> >
> https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/adding-exit-and-destination-signs/
> >
> > On Sat., May 8, 2021, 4:34 p.m. Jherome Miguel, <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I'm new to the list, but I'm reviving an older discussion about dealing
> with freeway/expressway/parkway/autoroute exits in Ontario and Quebec that
> use the name=* key to represent destination names that could be tagged on
> the ramp than on the exit. I've been able to mop some of these out in
> places such as the 412 and the 418, and part of the 407 in the GTA, the 401
> around Windsor, Autoroute 5 around Gatineau, and a short segment of the
> Conestoga Parkway at Kitchener-Waterloo, but there are thousands of these
> that remain, whether it be on the 400-series highways, the autoroutes of
> Quebec, or even Toronto's expressways like the Gardiner or the Allen. Some
> of my changes reverting those addition have been undone by others. Most of
> these are added by a user named “BlueJaysFan86”, while some around
> Gatineau, Montreal, and Quebec City are added by a few others.
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> Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 23:44:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
> To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org>, Jarek
> Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario
> and Quebec
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> Je penses que nous sommes tous d'accord la-dessus. J'ai fait de nombreuses
> modifications autour de Montréal, mais malheuresement oui il y a
> constamment des contributeurs qui observent ailleurs et ajoutent le nom sur
> le noeud de la jonction avec la sortie. Si quelqu'un à la patience ...
>
>
> Pierre
>
>
> Le samedi 8 mai 2021 19 h 37 min 38 s UTC−4, Jarek Piórkowski <
> jarek at piorkowski.ca> a écrit :
>
> Unfortunately It's a pretty usual OSM problem... editors are at fault
> for tagging for the renderer, and osm-carto is arguably at fault for
> rendering name=* on exit nodes. [1]
>
> Tagging destination as name of node gets pretty unwieldy with names
> like "Kipling Avenue;Islington Avenue;Park Lawn Road", but other than
> the ref, name is the only tag that renders, so in it goes...
>
> Personally I agree with not having the destinations in the name, but
> it might be a bit of an uphill battle here - be sure it's one you want
> to spend your energy on.
>
>
> [1] I think the initial idea in Europe was that this would be used for
> junctions that actually have names like "Denham Interchange" or
> "Dreieck Barnim" ("Freeman Interchange" is one I know of in Ontario).
> >From my Canadian point of view these would be better on a
> locality-style node in the middle of the junction, or a relation
> containing the junction nodes, not tagged on several exit nodes. But
> that's not really a thing, so here we are.
>
> --Jarek
>
> On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 16:47, James <james2432 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think we were following this convention:
> >
> >
> https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/adding-exit-and-destination-signs/
> >
> > On Sat., May 8, 2021, 4:34 p.m. Jherome Miguel, <jheromemiguel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I'm new to the list, but I'm reviving an older discussion about dealing
> with freeway/expressway/parkway/autoroute exits in Ontario and Quebec that
> use the name=* key to represent destination names that could be tagged on
> the ramp than on the exit. I've been able to mop some of these out in
> places such as the 412 and the 418, and part of the 407 in the GTA, the 401
> around Windsor, Autoroute 5 around Gatineau, and a short segment of the
> Conestoga Parkway at Kitchener-Waterloo, but there are thousands of these
> that remain, whether it be on the 400-series highways, the autoroutes of
> Quebec, or even Toronto's expressways like the Gardiner or the Allen. Some
> of my changes reverting those addition have been undone by others. Most of
> these are added by a user named “BlueJaysFan86”, while some around
> Gatineau, Montreal, and Quebec City are added by a few others.
> >> _______________________________________________
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