[Talk-ca] First Nations reserve naming

[Amos Hayes]

I am glad folks have recognized the need for case-by-case thoughtfulness.

One thing I should have made more clear was that I am not Indigenous and
can never speak for Indigenous Peoples. This admission is something that
everyone should be taking to heart. If you aren't being invited to map
specific Indigenous Peoples by their people or their institutions, just
don't do it. It is not your place to map that, no matter how noble your
intentions. Go map something else on OSM.

P.S. Note that some of the ideas that at first glance seem to make a lot of
sense on here like using "official_name" for what Canada calls a First
Nation or reserve is actually a very biased approach and is highly
problematic for anyone who recognizes Canada as an occupier. The "official"
name of a First Nation comes from their authority, whatever form that
takes. It may be an elected authority, a system of hereditary chiefs, or
some other way they have agreed to decide things.

Anyway, I encourage a slow, respectful, and collaborative approach to this
work by anyone looking to undertake it.

--
Amos Hayes
Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre
Carleton University, Canada
https://gcrc.carleton.ca
ahayes at gcrc.carleton.ca

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 20:21 stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:

> While I realize that my recent wiki edits which further clarify how we do
> this are not in Canada, but in the USA (which mentions how "First Nations"
> in Canada "gives a neighboring flavor to the semantics"), perhaps Canadians
> who have participated in or read this thread care to give it [1] a
> perusal.  Our wiki and practices in these regards continue to evolve, and
> the USA wiki's recent evolution has incorporated some sharpening of
> semantics from this thread, such as how a "case-by-case" approach has
> emerged, that "what the local people say about their land" must be
> respected, and that this continues to evolve into "many different
> approaches," such as what Pierre and I briefly discussed here happens in
> other boundary tagging in OSM:  like, "a village might be represented by a
> node inside of, and in addition to, the boundary (multi)polygon."
>
> And to be clear, in the USA, we don't (necessarily) assign admin_level=*
> tagging to these (it might emerge in the future that we do), but I
> understand that in some cases (again, "case-by-case"), as Pierre says, in
> Québec, sometimes these get admin_level=8.  It's good to see OSM mappers
> being so careful with tagging practices.  Wide discussion (local, too) is
> of paramount importance, so we continue to "get it right" (well, as much as
> we can).
>
> Ah, "light, not heat."  Thanks to all for a furtherance (somewhat
> difficult, for reasons which can be attributed to a single person) of good
> tagging practices in these regards.
>
> [1]
> https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level#Native_American_Indian_reservations
> <
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level#Native_American_Indian_reservations
> >
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