[Talk-ca] What do I poutine the name tag of a road with a suffix?

[Michael Stark]

Hello Martin,

>From what I can understand, and from what I've been told by a few people
living in Calgary, the quadrant suffix as abbreviated is the name. So, if
I'm understanding everything correctly, it would be like the "USA" in your
"USA Avenue" example.

It's also worth mentioning that I can't seem to find any official or common
examples of the quadrant being written out. Even Wikipedia does not write
the quadrant fully. I'll link some Wikipedia articles here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_Avenue_N

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_in_Calgary#Roads_and_streets

I hope these examples are helpful. Let me know what you think.

Warm regards,
Michael

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 4:46 AM Martin Chalifoux <martin.chalifoux at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> I think this is nothing new and the way to go has been established a while
> back with regards to naming ways in OSM. The convention is that names are
> written in full in the OSM database, no abbreviations. It is up to the
> rendering engine to use abbreviations to save space, just it is the cities
> decision to use one on the street sign to save space as well. We keep the
> OSM data complete and not ambiguous while leaving presentation to the
> rendering engines.
>
> So all the words like lake, river, street, road, avenue, boulevard, rue,
> route, rang, sud, ouest nord, south, southwest, sud-ouest, etc.
> Are all written with all the letters of the word. We do not use
> abbreviations in names for designation words.
> The only exception would if the abbreviation was the name itself, like
> “USA Avenue”. But in in your example it is not the case, southwest is a
> designation to differentiated a section of the street from another one in
> most cases.
>
> I don’t think this should be debated again. And the database in Canada is
> already very consistent except are where some mappers did not respect that
> convention (indeed I have seen N S E W SE SW etc. more in Alberta than
> elsewhere, maybe there is a local exception there I am not aware of). When
> I see something like “Prince Harry Av S”  I replace it with "Prince Harry
> Avenue South”
>
>
> Cheers, Martin.
>
> > On Dec 11, 2022, at 2:49 AM, Michael Stark <michael60634 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Minh,
> >
> > You have some great points there, and they do need to be considered.
> >
> > I do have a genuine question. If a street name is consistently written a
> certain way, and someone tagged it as it is written, would that be
> considered tagging for the renderer?
> >
> > According to a friend of a friend that lives in Calgary, a street would
> always be written as "Shaganappi Trail NW", but would always be pronounced
> as "Shaganappi Trail Northwest".
> >
> > And I'll copy paste a message from a OSM contributor from Calgary that
> I've been communicating with:
> >
> > "Just to clear up a point. You are absolutely correct in OSM SE should
> be written out as Southeast. I completely agree…. Except in Alberta and a
> small part of BC ( sorry Dawson creek we found gas so we took you along)
> When the DLS was done it was broken into the quadrants and sections and
> what note and those quadrants became NE,NW,SE,SW. All fine. until Alberta
> decided that the SE and what not would become part of the name and not just
> a direction. And this is the confusion. SE is not southeast…. it is just
> simply SE. And this becomes the legal land description. This was then
> applied to everything including roads. Roadways are defined in the ATS and
> that land became part of the name. So not really an abbreviation anymore
> but and actual word.
> >
> > You are correct services using OSM may not know what NW is. But in
> Alberta is is treated as the name and not really a direction at all. And
> this becomes and issue for services that are trying to use Alberta (and
> other areas to be honest) without understand this slight difference. This
> is also my problem. With the global change to OSM I can no longer use it as
> a data source as the names are simply wrong. This is how we name everything
> from road to well sites.
> >
> > So I agree with you that directions should be spelled out as you have
> done. Except with the direction isn’t a direction at all it is the actual
> name."
>
>
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