[Talk-ca] "Highway X" and the like as names

[Jherome Miguel]

In Alberta, we use "Highway X". Previously, there's also "Secondary Highway
X" that does show on street signs in some municipalities, but it's no
longer officially used since primary and secondary highways were merged,
though they still got different sign shapes (shield for 1-216, circle for
501-999) and locals would still say highways numbered 501-999 are
secondary.

On mapping, at least in most provinces (including mine in Alberta), highway
classification tends to have one-to-one correspondence and this is even
reflected on the shield that appears on maps using OSM data. For example,
for Alberta highways in Magic Earth, primaries and above (that correspond
to the 1-216 series) get a shield and secondary (corresponding to 501-999)
circles. From that, I think there shouldn't be problem with ambiguity, but
as you're pointing out, in places like Ontario, You got outliers such as
some regional or county roads that are tagged primary and are former
provincial highways. Just like with those south of the border, I think we
should experiment with suffixes, unfortunately this comes with problems as
Quebec, the Atlantic provinces and the Territories only have numbers in
their shields (the same goes with state route signs in most US states and
US Route signs except in California, but they attempted to settle with
adding those suffixes, i.e. US, state abbrevs, CR/PR, particularly for
consistency and rendering, and GMaps also does something similar),.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 5:00 PM Andrew Deng <andrewdeng93 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> I absolutely and completely disagree with this. I am from Ontario so I can
> only speak for the Ontario context
>
> 1) Many roads that are designated Highway X do not have any other name,
> and addresses and posted signs are "Highway X". Or "County Road X", etc.
>
> 2) Some roads that are no longer provincial highways still bear the name
> of the former provincial highway as its street name, and if it does have a
> county-level designation, the number is sometimes different. (E.g. Highway
> 11 in Holland Landing, Ontario is York Regional Road 1).
>
> 3)  In the US at least there are prefixes (e.g. I-95, US-101
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/I-95,+US-101?entry=gmail&source=g>,
> TX-130, CR-XX), which would for some cases make a redundancy with the name.
> However in Canada, since we do not do prefixes, removing the name would
> just make it unclear which kind road is it (is it provincial? county?)
>
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> Andrew
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> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022, 05:49:38 p.m. EST, Jherome Miguel <
> jheromemiguel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Should we be removing or replacing "Highway x" and the like names as
> redundant with highway number (tagged ref=), as like what is already being
> done south of the border? I've done this with roads in Alberta, either
> removing them or replacing them with range/township road numbers where
> posted (in provinces that follow Dominion land system) or other posted road
> names, or route names as found in trailblazer signs, but some of those
> "names" got restored.
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