[Talk-ca] Community Mailboxes and Relay Boxes Tagging

[wolfy1339]

I understand they also have parcel boxes. The tagging doesn't account 
that these are a combination of a post box, letter box and parcel locker.
I am very aware of the Tagging guidelines located at: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada/Tagging_guidelines

It has also been suggested to create 2 seperate nodes, one for each of 
it's functions:

- `amenity=letter_box` (Incoming mail)
- `amenity=post_box` (Outgoing mail)

Is it then better to leave it as status-quo until better tagging for 
this situation comes around?

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How would you feel about a mass-edit to change `amenity=relay_box` to 
`man_made=street_box` + `street_box=postal_service`, and at the same 
time normalize the operator tags in line with previous discussions, and 
what's currently written in the tagging recommendations.

The result would be:

- Changing `amenity=relay_box` to `man_made=street_box` + 
`street_box=postal_service`
- Normalizing operator for:
     operator:en=Canada Post
     operator:fr=Postes Canada
     operator:wikidata=Q1032001

There are a total of 305 nodes that would be affected, all located in 
Southern Ontario.

(I forgot to hit reply-all, sorry if you get my response twice)

On 16/10/2022 15:43, john whelan wrote:
> They also have parcel boxes not just letters.
>
> Canada Post calls them community mail boxes so why not go with that?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 15:38 wolfy1339 via Talk-ca 
> <talk-ca at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>     Hello all,
>
>     It has come up in the OSM Discord that the current tagging for the
>     community mailboxes and the relay boxes are outdated.
>
>
>     The `amenity=relay_box` tag is discouraged and instead the tags
>     `man_made=street_cabinet` + `street_cabinet=postal_service` be used.
>     The `amenity=relay_box` is only tagged 308 times worldwide, of which
>     most are tagged in Canda, compared to 2 309 worldwide.
>     Therefore I propose to update the tagging guidelines to reflect the
>     worldwide established tag.
>
>
>     The community mailboxes are currently tagged as `amenity=post_box`,
>     which according to the wiki and users of the OSM Discord, is for
>     outbound mail only.
>     Another reason given is that applications will not understand. It has
>     also been disputed by a decade old question on the OSM Help forums [1]
>     Since community mailboxes handle incoming mail as the prominent
>     function, the more appropriate tag would be `amenity=letter_box`.
>     However, there currently isn't an equivalent tag for
>     `post_box:type=community`.
>     It has been recommended to tag these as `amenity=letter_box` +
>     `post_box=yes`
>
>
>     What are your thoughts on this?
>
>
>
>     [1]:
>     https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/16762/block-mailbox-tagging
>
>
>
>
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