[Talk-ca] Community Mailboxes and Relay Boxes Tagging

[john whelan]

I think the community mailboxes used to be tagged CMB but the recommended
in the wiki has changed.  Either of the  existing tag seems to cover the
possibilities.

Relay boxes have been tagged the same way for some time.

Perhaps a dictionary of terms used somewhere?  The Canadian wiki guidelines?

I'm not sure why you want to change either one.  Changing what exists
affects many things.  Custom renders for example with things such as
maperitive.

My personal view is the Canadian wiki guidelines don't always reflect
reality neither does it give the authority for the guidelines.

Cheerio John

On Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 17:35 wolfy1339 <webmaster at wolfy1339.com> wrote:

> I understand they also have parcel boxes. The tagging doesn't account that
> these are a combination of a post box, letter box and parcel locker.
> I am very aware of the Tagging guidelines located at:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada/Tagging_guidelines
>
> It has also been suggested to create 2 seperate nodes, one for each of
> it's functions:
>
> - `amenity=letter_box` (Incoming mail)
> - `amenity=post_box` (Outgoing mail)
>
> Is it then better to leave it as status-quo until better tagging for this
> situation comes around?
>
> =====
>
> How would you feel about a mass-edit to change `amenity=relay_box` to
> `man_made=street_box` + `street_box=postal_service`, and at the same time
> normalize the operator tags in line with previous discussions, and what's
> currently written in the tagging recommendations.
>
> The result would be:
>
> - Changing `amenity=relay_box` to `man_made=street_box` +
> `street_box=postal_service`
> - Normalizing operator for:
>     operator:en=Canada Post
>     operator:fr=Postes Canada
>     operator:wikidata=Q1032001
>
> There are a total of 305 nodes that would be affected, all located in
> Southern Ontario.
>
> (I forgot to hit reply-all, sorry if you get my response twice)
> On 16/10/2022 15:43, john whelan wrote:
>
> They also have parcel boxes not just letters.
>
> Canada Post calls them community mail boxes so why not go with that?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 15:38 wolfy1339 via Talk-ca <
> talk-ca at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> It has come up in the OSM Discord that the current tagging for the
>> community mailboxes and the relay boxes are outdated.
>>
>>
>> The `amenity=relay_box` tag is discouraged and instead the tags
>> `man_made=street_cabinet` + `street_cabinet=postal_service` be used.
>> The `amenity=relay_box` is only tagged 308 times worldwide, of which
>> most are tagged in Canda, compared to 2 309 worldwide.
>> Therefore I propose to update the tagging guidelines to reflect the
>> worldwide established tag.
>>
>>
>> The community mailboxes are currently tagged as `amenity=post_box`,
>> which according to the wiki and users of the OSM Discord, is for
>> outbound mail only.
>> Another reason given is that applications will not understand. It has
>> also been disputed by a decade old question on the OSM Help forums [1]
>> Since community mailboxes handle incoming mail as the prominent
>> function, the more appropriate tag would be `amenity=letter_box`.
>> However, there currently isn't an equivalent tag for
>> `post_box:type=community`.
>> It has been recommended to tag these as `amenity=letter_box` +
>> `post_box=yes`
>>
>>
>> What are your thoughts on this?
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/16762/block-mailbox-tagging
>>
>>
>>
>>
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