[Talk-ca] First nations boundary tagging

[Michael Stark]

Yep, that's correct. For anyone else looking for further information, check
the link I sent above. It's from the BC government.

On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 6:53 PM David E. Nelson via Talk-ca <
talk-ca at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> The population of an unincorporated electoral area in a regional district
> in British Columbia elects one person to sit on that regional district's
> board of directors.  These electoral areas are also used by Statistics
> Canada as census subdivisions.
>
> - David E. Nelson
>
> On Mar. 12, 2023 16:42, stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:
>
> I'm no expert in Canadian (possibly indigenous peoples' political) issues,
> but it seems to me if these are truly unincorporated electoral areas within
> a regional district, they would still have a "place" where one could either
> visit or mail in, say, a voter registration.  In the USA, I'm nearly 100%
> certain that each and every county has such a place.  Additionally, there
> may be MANY such places in any given county, for example, in counties which
> subdivide into townships, where each township would logically have such a
> "centre."
>
> I would find it unusual or odd for an unincorporated area (like there are
> many of in Snohomish County) to have such boundary=political
> (multi)polygons drawn in OSM, because while these might exist in reality,
> their entry into OSM seems in "earlier days" of entry / correctness.  But I
> would nod my head if I understood it to be correct, as it seems the people
> who live there could make a case for it being an accurate way to
> characterize the way that people register to vote.  Again, the distinction
> is between an admin_level boundary and a political boundary:  the former is
> a "real" government, the latter is "the people of this area, delineated by
> a boundary, vote on a consolidated ballot."  Sometimes, the two perform the
> same kinds of functions, adding to potential or actual confusion, but if
> "only for political / election purposes" is true, it seems prudent in the
> OSM sense to choose boundary=political over boundary=admin_level.
>
> By "real" government, OSM means (approximately) "internationally
> recognized" in the case of countries / admin_level=2, "recognized as a
> sub-national unit" (by any given country) for admin_level=4 (or the
> somewhat-unusual case of admin_level=3), and so on down the line all the
> way to admin_level=10 (or 11 in some cases) where something we might call
> "a neighborhood council" (usually in larger cities, themselves often
> admin_level=8) is a "real" government that makes law / ordinances for
> people only in that admin_level=10 (multi)polygon boundary.
>
> > On Mar 12, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Michael Stark <michael60634 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Is tagging an admin centre appropriate for an unincorporated area? It's
> like tagging an admin centre for an unincorporated area of, for example,
> Snohomish County in the US. The electoral area is an unincorporated subunit
> of a regional district. And a regional district can be compared to a county
> in the US.
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 6:09 PM stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com>
> wrote:
> > On Mar 12, 2023, at 4:00 PM, Michael Stark <michael60634 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Those look like electoral areas within regional districts. Essentially
> the electoral areas, in this context, are unincorporated areas in the
> regional districts.
> >
> > If so, they should be tagged boundary=political [1] with admin_centre
> and label nodes.
> >
> > Thanks for everybody's diligence about such topics.  It is quite helpful
> when admin_level values (and boundary edges) emerge to a high level of
> accuracy — or at least as "highly accurate as we can manage to assign to
> them."  Sometimes this means a fair bit of understanding about "what local
> people say," but it usually includes a wider inclusion into what people (in
> Canada, in British Columbia, Alberta...) and Contributors (to OSM) consider
> "good practice" for assigning admin_level values.
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dpolitical
>
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