[Talk-cl] [Fwd: Re: Open Imagery for Chile]

Jean-Guilhem Cailton jgc en arkemie.com
Lun Mar 1 20:59:01 GMT 2010

Dear Julio, (it's easier for me to write in English, since you understand)

David writes:

"Having said that we do see that imagery will be available for wider use 
in Chile as well. "

My understanding, in this context, is that "wider use" would likely 
include tracing by OSM.
(But no specific imagery is mentioned)

It would probably be best to ask him (and/or specific imagery sources) 
for clarification, and also how the source image would be available.

Getting in touch with Chile institutions ONEMI and SNIT would certainly 
be a good thing ("any effort should be centred on their needs and 
guidance"). I see there is a contact at ONEMI for the Charter at:

I have heard that Chile has now decided to accept the help of the 
international community. This would be a way people from abroad could 
contribute, along with fellow Chile citizens, like those whose effort 
you are organising.



Julio Costa Zambelli a écrit :
> (In English after the break...)
> Estimado Jean-Guilhem,
> En la misma linea de las preguntas de Mikel (No me quedo del todo 
> claro con la respuesta de David), ¿Tienes alguna claridad sobre la 
> liberación de la licencia de GeoEye una vez que sus imágenes estén 
> disponibles? (Obviamente la frase: "5 disasters since Haiti and none 
> of them received the same attention and dedication as Haiti" me preocupa)
> El resto de las imágenes ya disponibles están bien, pero la alta 
> resolución es muy necesaria para avanzar en el trazado y etiquetado de 
> todos los pueblos de la zona afectada.
> Gracias todos por su ayuda y cooperación.
> Saludos,
> Julio Costa
> OpenStreetMap Chile
> http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
> Dear Jean-Guilhem,
> In the same line of Mikels questions (I did not see it clear on Davids 
> response), Are you clear on the liberation of GeoEyes data license 
> once their imagery is available? (Obviously the phrase "5 disasters 
> since Haiti and none of them received the same attention and 
> dedication as Haiti" concerns me)
> The already available images are alright, but high resolution imagery 
> is quite necessary to trace and tag all the towns on the affected area.
> Thank you all for your help and cooperation.
> Cheers,
> Julio Costa
> OpenStreetMap Chile
> http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc en arkemie.com 
> <mailto:jgc en arkemie.com>> wrote:
>     Hola,
>     Imágenes satélite de Chile post-evento están disponibles. Ver
>     http://www.un-spider.org/chile
>     y
>     http://www.un-spider.org/page/3287/spaceaid-available-space-based-information-earthquake-and-tsunami-chile
>     para detalles.
>     Saludos,
>     Jean-Guilhem
>     -------- Message original --------
>     Sujet : 	Re: Open Imagery for Chile
>     Date : 	Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:58:36 +0100
>     De : 	David Stevens <tazarkount en gmail.com>
>     <mailto:tazarkount en gmail.com>
>     Répondre à : 	crisismappers-chile en googlegroups.com
>     <mailto:crisismappers-chile en googlegroups.com>
>     Pour : 	Mikel Maron <mikel_maron en yahoo.com>
>     <mailto:mikel_maron en yahoo.com>
>     Copie à : 	
>     Références : 	<68743.49937.qm en web56506.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>     <mailto:68743.49937.qm en web56506.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>     Mikel,
>     I wanted to put forward some info and help build upon your proposal.
>     First of all I do want to say that UN-SPIDER is a UN Programme
>     that has been specifically mandated by all UN Member States to
>     help all countries as well as regional and international
>     organisations to access and use space-based information. It is an
>     interesting mandate because it means ensuring access and use as
>     well as building capacity. We don't produce maps. We ensure end
>     users and their partners are able to do it and use it for decision
>     making. The fact we have the mandate means we work closely with
>     the government institutions responsible for emergency response and
>     disaster risk management and also with partners supporting these
>     end users. More importantly after the response phase is gone and
>     the media chasers have packed their bags and gone after another
>     spotlight we continue working with the Government as in the case
>     in Haiti: our work begins now as we help the Civil Protection
>     Agency rebuild and get ready including for the next hurricane season.
>     We are a Cooperating Body for the United Nations to the
>     International Charter which means whenever the UN is involved in
>     an emergency response we activate the International Charter as has
>     been the case for both Haiti and Chile.
>     The Charter does not make the imagery data available but only the
>     end products. In some mega disasters imagery does become available
>     for free as was the case during the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami and
>     the Haiti earthquake. We are working to ensure that imagery
>     becomes a bit more widely available and not only for mega
>     disasters. We have been involved and supported 5 disasters since
>     Haiti and none of them received the same attention and dedication
>     as Haiti.
>     Having said that we do see that imagery will be available for
>     wider use in Chile as well. We have updated the info on what is
>     being made available on our webpage
>     http://www.un-spider.org/chile
>     Two requests
>     First if the crisismapper community could help us include info on
>     available imagery and geospatial data that would help. I know
>     there are several other portals as well with similar info but for
>     sure our end users do access the UN-SPIDER Knowledge Portal first.
>     Please feel free to replicate the info we have on other portals as
>     well. We would appreciate a link to our portal. And we will ensure
>     we include a link to the other portals. Please send us any info to
>     include to the following e-mail: spaceaid en unoosa.org
>     <mailto:spaceaid en unoosa.org>
>     Then regarding the mapping support for Chile we are open for
>     suggestions. In Chile there are strong and efficient government
>     institutions in place, both ONEMI and SNIT, and any effort should
>     be centred on their needs and guidance.
>     One last useful info: UN-SPIDER is implemented by the United
>     Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs. We are part of the UN
>     Secretariat and we are the UN Office responsible for promoting the
>     access and use of space-based technologies and solutions. Space is
>     our business and our mandate.
>     Regards
>     David
>     David Stevens
>     Programme Coordinator
>     United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs
>     Vienna - Austria
>     Tel. ++43-(1)-26060-5631 - Skype: tazarkount
>     Mobile +43 - 699 1459-5631 -  E-Mail david.stevens en unoosa.org
>     <mailto:david.stevens en unoosa.org>
>     On 28 February 2010 06:25, Mikel Maron <mikel_maron en yahoo.com
>     <mailto:mikel_maron en yahoo.com>> wrote:
>         Colleagues
>         Can we replicate the true environment of sharing that began in
>         the response to Haiti?
>         We are all at ready to respond once we hear the needs for
>         Chile. OSM is ready to map, CrisisCamps are planned, there is
>         an OSM Chile community who we are trying to get through to.
>         http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake
>         Simply, we need imagery we can use. I was hoping this would be
>         an issue we all could discuss in the next few months, but now
>         the need is urgent.
>         The basic question ... will licensing allow use of the raw
>         imagery data for response?
>         * DigitalGlobe, GeoEye: Are acquisitions planned yet? Will
>         license terms be dropped again?
>         * Google: If you post imagery, can you make sure OSM has an
>         exception to the non-commercial clause?
>         * UN Charter: Any possibility of sharing imagery with
>         volunteer groups?
>         * Chris Schmidt/Schuyler Erle: Would you be ready to process
>         imagery again?
>         All ... any other sources or thoughts?
>         Best
>         Mikel
>         == Mikel Maron ==
>         +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>         http://mapkibera.org/
>         http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti
>     -- 
>     David STEVENS
>     Vienna - Austria
>     skype: tazarkount

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