[Talk-cl] [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Open Imagery for Chile]

Lun Mar 1 23:59:23 GMT 2010

Dear Julio and all-

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc en arkemie.com>wrote:

>  Dear Julio, (it's easier for me to write in English, since you understand)
>
> David writes:
>
> "Having said that we do see that imagery will be available for wider use in
> Chile as well. "
>
> My understanding, in this context, is that "wider use" would likely include
> tracing by OSM.
> (But no specific imagery is mentioned)
>
> It would probably be best to ask him (and/or specific imagery sources) for
> clarification, and also how the source image would be available.
>

Agree this still needs to be clarified-

>
>
> Getting in touch with Chile institutions ONEMI and SNIT would certainly be
> a good thing ("any effort should be centred on their needs and guidance").
> I see there is a contact at ONEMI for the Charter at:
>
>
> http://www.un-spider.org/page/3287/spaceaid-available-space-based-information-earthquake-and-tsunami-chile
>

If not already done, it's fundamental to push the OSM data into the hands of
those entities, the way it has been pushed in the hands of international
responding entities and then explore the potential for wider cooperation-

>
> I have heard that Chile has now decided to accept the help of the
> international community. This would be a way people from abroad could
> contribute, along with fellow Chile citizens, like those whose effort you
> are organising.
>
> Best,
>
> Jean-Guilhem
>

Best
Nicolas.

>
> Julio Costa Zambelli a écrit :
>
> (In English after the break...)
>
> Estimado Jean-Guilhem,
>
> En la misma linea de las preguntas de Mikel (No me quedo del todo claro con
> la respuesta de David), ¿Tienes alguna claridad sobre la liberación de la
> licencia de GeoEye una vez que sus imágenes estén disponibles? (Obviamente
> la frase: "5 disasters since Haiti and none of them received the same
> attention and dedication as Haiti" me preocupa)
>
> El resto de las imágenes ya disponibles están bien, pero la alta resolución
> es muy necesaria para avanzar en el trazado y etiquetado de todos los
> pueblos de la zona afectada.
>
> Gracias todos por su ayuda y cooperación.
>
> Saludos,
>
> Julio Costa
> OpenStreetMap Chile
> http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
>
> ##ENGLISH##
>
> Dear Jean-Guilhem,
>
> In the same line of Mikels questions (I did not see it clear on Davids
> response), Are you clear on the liberation of GeoEyes data license once
> their imagery is available? (Obviously the phrase "5 disasters since Haiti
> and none of them received the same attention and dedication as Haiti"
> concerns me)
>
> The already available images are alright, but high resolution imagery is
> quite necessary to trace and tag all the towns on the affected area.
>
> Thank you all for your help and cooperation.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julio Costa
> OpenStreetMap Chile
> http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc en arkemie.com>wrote:
>
>> Hola,
>>
>> Imágenes satélite de Chile post-evento están disponibles. Ver
>> http://www.un-spider.org/chile
>> y
>>
>> http://www.un-spider.org/page/3287/spaceaid-available-space-based-information-earthquake-and-tsunami-chile
>> para detalles.
>>
>> Saludos,
>>
>> Jean-Guilhem
>>
>>
>> -------- Message original --------  Sujet : Re: Open Imagery for Chile  Date :
>> Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:58:36 +0100  De : David Stevens <tazarkount en gmail.com><tazarkount en gmail.com>  Répondre
>> à : crisismappers-chile en googlegroups.com  Pour : Mikel Maron
>> <mikel_maron en yahoo.com> <mikel_maron en yahoo.com>  Copie à :
>>   Références : <68743.49937.qm en web56506.mail.re3.yahoo.com><68743.49937.qm en web56506.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>>
>> Mikel,
>>
>> I wanted to put forward some info and help build upon your proposal.
>>
>> First of all I do want to say that UN-SPIDER is a UN Programme that has
>> been specifically mandated by all UN Member States to help all countries as
>> well as regional and international organisations to access and use
>> space-based information. It is an interesting mandate because it means
>> ensuring access and use as well as building capacity. We don't produce maps.
>> We ensure end users and their partners are able to do it and use it for
>> decision making. The fact we have the mandate means we work closely with the
>> government institutions responsible for emergency response and disaster risk
>> management and also with partners supporting these end users. More
>> importantly after the response phase is gone and the media chasers have
>> packed their bags and gone after another spotlight we continue working with
>> the Government as in the case in Haiti: our work begins now as we help the
>> Civil Protection Agency rebuild and get ready including for the next
>> hurricane season.
>>
>> We are a Cooperating Body for the United Nations to the International
>> Charter which means whenever the UN is involved in an emergency response we
>> activate the International Charter as has been the case for both Haiti and
>> Chile.
>>
>> The Charter does not make the imagery data available but only the end
>> products. In some mega disasters imagery does become available for free as
>> was the case during the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami and the Haiti earthquake.
>> We are working to ensure that imagery becomes a bit more widely available
>> and not only for mega disasters. We have been involved and supported 5
>> disasters since Haiti and none of them received the same attention and
>> dedication as Haiti.
>>
>> Having said that we do see that imagery will be available for wider use in
>> Chile as well. We have updated the info on what is being made available on
>> our webpage
>>
>> http://www.un-spider.org/chile
>>
>> Two requests
>>
>> First if the crisismapper community could help us include info on
>> available imagery and geospatial data that would help. I know there are
>> several other portals as well with similar info but for sure our end users
>> do access the UN-SPIDER Knowledge Portal first. Please feel free to
>> replicate the info we have on other portals as well. We would appreciate a
>> link to our portal. And we will ensure we include a link to the other
>> portals. Please send us any info to include to the following e-mail:
>> spaceaid en unoosa.org
>>
>> Then regarding the mapping support for Chile we are open for suggestions.
>> In Chile there are strong and efficient government institutions in place,
>> both ONEMI and SNIT, and any effort should be centred on their needs and
>> guidance.
>>
>> One last useful info: UN-SPIDER is implemented by the United Nations
>> Office for Outer Space Affairs. We are part of the UN Secretariat and we are
>> the UN Office responsible for promoting the access and use of space-based
>> technologies and solutions. Space is our business and our mandate.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David
>>
>> David Stevens
>> Programme Coordinator
>> UN-SPIDER
>> United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs
>> Vienna - Austria
>> Tel. ++43-(1)-26060-5631 - Skype: tazarkount
>> Mobile +43 - 699 1459-5631 -  E-Mail david.stevens en unoosa.org
>>
>> On 28 February 2010 06:25, Mikel Maron <mikel_maron en yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Colleagues
>>>
>>> Can we replicate the true environment of sharing that began in the
>>> response to Haiti?
>>>
>>> We are all at ready to respond once we hear the needs for Chile. OSM is
>>> ready to map, CrisisCamps are planned, there is an OSM Chile community who
>>> we are trying to get through to.
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake
>>>
>>> Simply, we need imagery we can use. I was hoping this would be an issue
>>> we all could discuss in the next few months, but now the need is urgent.
>>> The basic question ... will licensing allow use of the raw imagery data
>>> for response?
>>>
>>> * DigitalGlobe, GeoEye: Are acquisitions planned yet? Will license terms
>>> be dropped again?
>>>
>>> * Google: If you post imagery, can you make sure OSM has an exception to
>>> the non-commercial clause?
>>>
>>> * UN Charter: Any possibility of sharing imagery with volunteer groups?
>>>
>>> * Chris Schmidt/Schuyler Erle: Would you be ready to process imagery
>>> again?
>>>
>>> All ... any other sources or thoughts?
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Mikel
>>>
>>>  == Mikel Maron ==
>>> +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>> http://mapkibera.org/
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David STEVENS
>> Vienna - Austria
>> skype: tazarkount
>>
>>
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