[Talk-cl] [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Open Imagery for Chile]

Mar Mar 2 03:24:06 GMT 2010

Dear Nicolas,

Right now I am writing a message to Cecilia Diaz from ONEMI (the technical
contact mentioned at the UN page). I will explain her everything about what
we are doing and how they can benefit of it.

Cheers,

Julio Costa

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:59 PM, nicolas chavent
<nicolas.chavent en gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Julio and all-
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc en arkemie.com>wrote:
>
>>  Dear Julio, (it's easier for me to write in English, since you
>> understand)
>>
>> David writes:
>>
>> "Having said that we do see that imagery will be available for wider use
>> in Chile as well. "
>>
>> My understanding, in this context, is that "wider use" would likely
>> include tracing by OSM.
>> (But no specific imagery is mentioned)
>>
>> It would probably be best to ask him (and/or specific imagery sources) for
>> clarification, and also how the source image would be available.
>>
>
> Agree this still needs to be clarified-
>
>>
>>
>> Getting in touch with Chile institutions ONEMI and SNIT would certainly be
>> a good thing ("any effort should be centred on their needs and
>> guidance"). I see there is a contact at ONEMI for the Charter at:
>>
>>
>> http://www.un-spider.org/page/3287/spaceaid-available-space-based-information-earthquake-and-tsunami-chile
>>
>
> If not already done, it's fundamental to push the OSM data into the hands
> of those entities, the way it has been pushed in the hands of international
> responding entities and then explore the potential for wider cooperation-
>
>
>>
>> I have heard that Chile has now decided to accept the help of the
>> international community. This would be a way people from abroad could
>> contribute, along with fellow Chile citizens, like those whose effort you
>> are organising.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jean-Guilhem
>>
>
>
>
> Best
> Nicolas.
>
>
>>
>> Julio Costa Zambelli a écrit :
>>
>> (In English after the break...)
>>
>> Estimado Jean-Guilhem,
>>
>> En la misma linea de las preguntas de Mikel (No me quedo del todo claro
>> con la respuesta de David), ¿Tienes alguna claridad sobre la liberación de
>> la licencia de GeoEye una vez que sus imágenes estén disponibles?
>> (Obviamente la frase: "5 disasters since Haiti and none of them received
>> the same attention and dedication as Haiti" me preocupa)
>>
>> El resto de las imágenes ya disponibles están bien, pero la alta
>> resolución es muy necesaria para avanzar en el trazado y etiquetado de todos
>> los pueblos de la zona afectada.
>>
>> Gracias todos por su ayuda y cooperación.
>>
>> Saludos,
>>
>> Julio Costa
>> OpenStreetMap Chile
>> http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
>>
>> ##ENGLISH##
>>
>> Dear Jean-Guilhem,
>>
>> In the same line of Mikels questions (I did not see it clear on Davids
>> response), Are you clear on the liberation of GeoEyes data license once
>> their imagery is available? (Obviously the phrase "5 disasters since
>> Haiti and none of them received the same attention and dedication as Haiti"
>> concerns me)
>>
>> The already available images are alright, but high resolution imagery is
>> quite necessary to trace and tag all the towns on the affected area.
>>
>> Thank you all for your help and cooperation.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Julio Costa
>> OpenStreetMap Chile
>> http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc en arkemie.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hola,
>>>
>>> Imágenes satélite de Chile post-evento están disponibles. Ver
>>> http://www.un-spider.org/chile
>>> y
>>>
>>> http://www.un-spider.org/page/3287/spaceaid-available-space-based-information-earthquake-and-tsunami-chile
>>> para detalles.
>>>
>>> Saludos,
>>>
>>> Jean-Guilhem
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Message original --------  Sujet : Re: Open Imagery for Chile  Date :
>>> Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:58:36 +0100  De : David Stevens
>>> <tazarkount en gmail.com> <tazarkount en gmail.com>  Répondre à :
>>> crisismappers-chile en googlegroups.com  Pour : Mikel Maron
>>> <mikel_maron en yahoo.com> <mikel_maron en yahoo.com>  Copie à :
>>>   Références : <68743.49937.qm en web56506.mail.re3.yahoo.com><68743.49937.qm en web56506.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> Mikel,
>>>
>>> I wanted to put forward some info and help build upon your proposal.
>>>
>>> First of all I do want to say that UN-SPIDER is a UN Programme that has
>>> been specifically mandated by all UN Member States to help all countries as
>>> well as regional and international organisations to access and use
>>> space-based information. It is an interesting mandate because it means
>>> ensuring access and use as well as building capacity. We don't produce maps.
>>> We ensure end users and their partners are able to do it and use it for
>>> decision making. The fact we have the mandate means we work closely with the
>>> government institutions responsible for emergency response and disaster risk
>>> management and also with partners supporting these end users. More
>>> importantly after the response phase is gone and the media chasers have
>>> packed their bags and gone after another spotlight we continue working with
>>> the Government as in the case in Haiti: our work begins now as we help the
>>> Civil Protection Agency rebuild and get ready including for the next
>>> hurricane season.
>>>
>>> We are a Cooperating Body for the United Nations to the International
>>> Charter which means whenever the UN is involved in an emergency response we
>>> activate the International Charter as has been the case for both Haiti and
>>> Chile.
>>>
>>> The Charter does not make the imagery data available but only the end
>>> products. In some mega disasters imagery does become available for free as
>>> was the case during the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami and the Haiti earthquake.
>>> We are working to ensure that imagery becomes a bit more widely available
>>> and not only for mega disasters. We have been involved and supported 5
>>> disasters since Haiti and none of them received the same attention and
>>> dedication as Haiti.
>>>
>>> Having said that we do see that imagery will be available for wider use
>>> in Chile as well. We have updated the info on what is being made available
>>> on our webpage
>>>
>>> http://www.un-spider.org/chile
>>>
>>> Two requests
>>>
>>> First if the crisismapper community could help us include info on
>>> available imagery and geospatial data that would help. I know there are
>>> several other portals as well with similar info but for sure our end users
>>> do access the UN-SPIDER Knowledge Portal first. Please feel free to
>>> replicate the info we have on other portals as well. We would appreciate a
>>> link to our portal. And we will ensure we include a link to the other
>>> portals. Please send us any info to include to the following e-mail:
>>> spaceaid en unoosa.org
>>>
>>> Then regarding the mapping support for Chile we are open for suggestions.
>>> In Chile there are strong and efficient government institutions in place,
>>> both ONEMI and SNIT, and any effort should be centred on their needs and
>>> guidance.
>>>
>>> One last useful info: UN-SPIDER is implemented by the United Nations
>>> Office for Outer Space Affairs. We are part of the UN Secretariat and we are
>>> the UN Office responsible for promoting the access and use of space-based
>>> technologies and solutions. Space is our business and our mandate.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> David Stevens
>>> Programme Coordinator
>>> UN-SPIDER
>>> United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs
>>> Vienna - Austria
>>> Tel. ++43-(1)-26060-5631 - Skype: tazarkount
>>> Mobile +43 - 699 1459-5631 -  E-Mail david.stevens en unoosa.org
>>>
>>> On 28 February 2010 06:25, Mikel Maron <mikel_maron en yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Colleagues
>>>>
>>>> Can we replicate the true environment of sharing that began in the
>>>> response to Haiti?
>>>>
>>>> We are all at ready to respond once we hear the needs for Chile. OSM is
>>>> ready to map, CrisisCamps are planned, there is an OSM Chile community who
>>>> we are trying to get through to.
>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake
>>>>
>>>> Simply, we need imagery we can use. I was hoping this would be an issue
>>>> we all could discuss in the next few months, but now the need is urgent.
>>>> The basic question ... will licensing allow use of the raw imagery data
>>>> for response?
>>>>
>>>> * DigitalGlobe, GeoEye: Are acquisitions planned yet? Will license terms
>>>> be dropped again?
>>>>
>>>> * Google: If you post imagery, can you make sure OSM has an exception to
>>>> the non-commercial clause?
>>>>
>>>> * UN Charter: Any possibility of sharing imagery with volunteer groups?
>>>>
>>>> * Chris Schmidt/Schuyler Erle: Would you be ready to process imagery
>>>> again?
>>>>
>>>> All ... any other sources or thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Mikel
>>>>
>>>>  == Mikel Maron ==
>>>> +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>>> http://mapkibera.org/
>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David STEVENS
>>> Vienna - Austria
>>> skype: tazarkount
>>>
>>>
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