[Talk-de] Make Messaging public, or other changes?

Sven Eppler sven at sveneppler.de
Mo Nov 24 01:14:08 UTC 2008


i don't think thats a good idea. Although we're an open source
initiative, we should take great care of the communication between our
users. I don't see any reason why anything should be revealed to

A better way to solve the described problem would be, to provide some
kind of kodex how communication should be going on. With some
understandable examples like the one you provided. So there could be a
link under each message which says "do you think this message is
inappropriate?" where you then get the posibility to check what you got
against some easy rules and can inform some kind of
moderator/administrator. Or even get the tip to go on into the
forums/mailing lists to discuss the problem further with the help of the

To me this seems to be the better solution. This way we can track down
those, who think all they mapped should never be touched by others and
give the "attacked" persons an easy way to find out if they are treated
wrong or not.


Am Sonntag, den 23.11.2008, 22:21 +0100 schrieb Frederik Ramm:
> Hmpf, sorry. Wieder auf meine auto-completion reingefallen.
> Frederik Ramm wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> >     I'd like to ask for a quick show of hands on the idea of making the 
> > whole built-in OSM messaging system public (not retroactively of course, 
> > but change it so that anyone can ready any message written in the future).
> > 
> > I am not sure whether this is a good idea myself, that's why I ask. The 
> > rationale behind this is the following: We suspect that there is quite a 
> > bit of "new user intimidation" going on here in Germany, where people 
> > sometimes almost obsessively "protect" their area against changes and 
> > might, sometimes rather impolitely, challenge newcomers.
> > 
> > Since this is not happening in public, the newcomer has nobody to help 
> > him, and anyone can basically say anything ("Haven't you read that 
> > pelican crossings are deprecated?") without someone else noticing. Being 
> > what he is, the newcomer will of course take everything at face value 
> > and go down a path of trouble.
> > 
> > If all intra-OSM messaging were public (somewhat like a Wiki "talk" 
> > page), then even if only few people took the time to actually read other 
> > people's conversations, it would be easier for the community as a whole 
> > to get involved and protect its interests against individuals causing 
> > trouble, and knowing that what oen writes is public, people might also 
> > exercise some restraint when choosing their words.
> > 
> > Another thing one could to if public messaging does not find favour is 
> > posting a caveat immediately over the "write message" text area, 
> > something along the lines of "if you're about to criticize someone whom 
> > you don't know, think twice and always assume good faith", whatever.
> > 
> > Bye
> > Frederik
> > 
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