[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Railway route relations

[Peter Miller]

--- Cross posted from Talk West Midlands


On 1 Jul 2009, at 19:39, Brian Prangle wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> I've added a railway relation for the West Coast Mainline  as it  
> runs thoruh New Street - so far I've got as far from Rugby Junction  
> to Sandwell & Dudley station.  I've named it as Strategic Route 17  
> Primary- SRs are what Network Rail use to label their network. The  
> West Midlands is Route 17. The problem is ALL the railway tracks in  
> the WM are Route 17 and are differentiated into primary, secondary,  
> rural and freight - so I'm not too sure how to proceed in  
> classification afte I've competed the WCML through to Wolverhampton.  
> I've done this mainly to see the rail routes renderd in the  
> opnvkarte public transport map.  Relation No is 164889 Tagging is as  
> follows
>
> <tag k="name" v="Railway Route 17  primary"/>
> <tag k="operator" v="Network Rail"/>
> <tag k="route" v="railway"/>
> <tag k="strategic_route" v="Route 17"/>
> <tag k="strategic_route_status" v="primary"/>
> <tag k="type" v="route"/>
>
> You can see the full document from Network Rail at :
>
> http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse documents/StrategicBusinessPlan/ 
> RoutePlans/2007/R17 - West Mids
>
>
> ITO also have someone working on this nationally and he has a useful  
> wiki on his OSM user page at:
>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:JossSmithson/UK_railways

We were about to move this article to the main wiki at a new URL and  
ask for community help completing it so thanks for making a start!  
When it is more populated I suggest that we replace the current UK  
railway article with it.

In order to stop the relations getting too big for the very long rail  
routes should the ways be first aggregated into SRS sections and then  
these relations be grouped into a relation for the whole route? Fyi,  
there are articles on Wikipedia with SRS details for some, but not all  
routes. To be super safe about copyright of sources in OSM I suggest  
that we first add the SRS details into Wikipedia  (referenced back to  
Network Rail) and then build the OSM data from Wikipedia.

The rail route tables in Wikipedia is here. Red links need to be  
created!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Rail#Route_plans


Regards,


Peter

>
> Anyone else want to help?  I think the first task is to agree  
> probably via talktransit on how we should tag the relations for  
> Route 17and maybe use that as a template. I've not added ref=17 yet  
> but that's trivial to implement, if we agree that's how we want to  
> go. For instance Route 17 covers the physical infrastructure but how  
> do we ( do we want to?) add relations for the passenger operators  
> ( e.g Virgin and London Midland (and the new operator from  
> Shrewsbury) as they run services over the same tracks just like bus  
> operators on roads. Can  the folks at opnvkarte ( who have the  
> luxury of just DeutscheBahn running trains in Germany) cope with  
> multiple operators?
>
> btw route 17 not rendered yet on opnvkarte
>
> Also railway platforms are now rendered so here's your chance to  
> survey them!
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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