[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bus routes in Rugby

[Stuart Reynolds]

Hi All,

Brian is right, I think, to say that it is best rendered by another map (which is what traveline does, after all) - it really isn’t that easy to keep up to date in OSM relations, which I find to be counter-intuitive, personally. However, in case you want the other options:

- data in many areas is not available as open data which includes route tracks

- in SE, EM and EA regions of traveline, the routing is produced automatically by the software, on top of the OSM layer, and we export the tracks that we generate. It isn’t bad, as a stab, but I wouldn’t want to use it as any form of mechanical edit into OSM. I won’t go into the details of why it is wrong here, unless you want me to, but suffice to say that there are enough examples of it not being right. I fix as many as I can, when I find them, but some are simply outside of my control.

- Some areas, particularly TfWM, SW, Suffolk and London, use the same system as SE etc. but map the data manually. This means that it is generally of good quality - although sometimes even then the OSM data hasn’t been interpreted correctly to allow correct routing through e.g. bus gates. However, that tracked data isn’t in my gift (although it is free of licensing issues) and I could always ask.

Such data as I have, in all cases, is expressed as coordinates between pairs of bus stops (the coordinates from the ways in OSM) rather than as references to way IDs, because of the chance of the ID changing.

Regards,
Stuart



On 20 Jul 2018, at 19:23, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nickerson at gmail.com<mailto:rob.j.nickerson at gmail.com>> wrote:

Sounds like a question for Stuart (cc'd). The travelline website does exactly as Brian describes. Not sure if Stuart knows any sources that can be used to update OSM bus routes.

Rob

On Fri, 20 Jul 2018, 12:28 Brian Prangle, <bprangle at gmail.com<mailto:bprangle at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Gareth

If they're that old and no longer exist then just delete them!  If the bus stops in your area have route ref nos on them than that can be an aid.  Otherwise there's nothing to do but ride the buses if the bus company or local transport authority is unwilling to release the data under an open licence.  Having mapped bus route relations in the past and tried to keep them up to date I've come to the conclusion that the routes are too volatile to be worth entering as OSM data (and we don't make it easy to add bus route relations either!) so they really belong as data rendered on another map using OSM data as a base map. But good luck if you want to try

Regards

Brian

On 19 July 2018 at 22:17, Gareth L <o.i at live.co.uk<mailto:o.i at live.co.uk>> wrote:
Hiya,

I see there are some bus routes mapped as relations in Rugby. They appear to have been done about 10 years ago and certain services now do not exist, new ones have been introduced and others diverted.

What are your suggested options of maintaining and managing this data?
I’m hesitant to delete stuff, especially as I wont necessarily be able to replace it with the correct data!
Are the route plans available in a OSM friendly licensed way? Or is it a case of spending a day on t’buses recording the routes?

Cheers,
Gareth


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