[Talk-GB] Visit to academics in london

[James Stewart]

I am down from Edinburgh university and wondered if any academics at ucl working on osm might have time to meet about work on project. I do mapping, but am interested in doing research on osm.  
Regards 
James stewart


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>       (Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists))
>    4. Re: Mapping the unloved and unwashed (Mark Williams)
>    5. Re: Mapping the unloved and unwashed (Peter Miller)
>    6. Re: Mapping the unloved and unwashed (Steve Hill)
>    7. Re: Mapping the unloved and unwashed (Dave Stubbs)
>    8. London Olympics - Was: Mapping the unloved and unwashed
>       (Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists))
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:17:06 +0000
> From: Tom Chance <tom at acrewoods.net>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Reading mapping party this weekend 13/14 Dec
> To: "Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)" <ajrlists at googlemail.com>
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> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:57:51 -0000, "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)"
> <ajrlists at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> The Reading mapping party this weekend will be hosted in Meeting Room 1
> at
>> RISC (Reading International Solidarity Centre) http://www.risc.org.uk
>
> Great! I'll probably turn up on Saturday for the afternoon at least, I have
> some errands to run in the morning. I won't have a bike so I might be
> cheeky and just do some POI infill in my old mapping haunts - the town
> centre and the main University campus.
>
> Tom
>
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> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:29:15 -0000
> From: "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)" <ajrlists at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Reading mapping party this weekend 13/14 Dec
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> The bare bones of the wiki page is up:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Reading/Mapping_Party
>
> Will sort the cake later. Please add useful info to the wiki page though.
>
> oh, and add you name please if you can make it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tom Chance [mailto:tom at acrewoods.net]
>> Sent: 11 December 2008 12:17 PM
>> To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
>> Cc: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Reading mapping party this weekend 13/14 Dec
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>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:57:51 -0000, "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)"
>> <ajrlists at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> The Reading mapping party this weekend will be hosted in Meeting Room 1
>> at
>>> RISC (Reading International Solidarity Centre) http://www.risc.org.uk
>>
>> Great! I'll probably turn up on Saturday for the afternoon at least, I have
>> some errands to run in the morning. I won't have a bike so I might be
>> cheeky and just do some POI infill in my old mapping haunts - the town
>> centre and the main University campus.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>
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> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:43:42 -0000
> From: "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)" <ajrlists at googlemail.com>
> Subject: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed
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> A quick scoot around our green and pleasant land reveals a number of really
> unloved places (Why are so many in Lincolnshire!). We need ideas on how to
> get these places on the map, whether it be motivating the natives or sending
> in the OSM swat teams to raise the profile. I'd like to hear your crazy as
> well as sensible ideas :-)
>
> In no particular order:
>
> Scunthorpe
> Grimsby
> Lincoln
> Doncaster
> Darlington
> Middlesbrough
> Sunderland
> Perth
> Bolton
> Northampton
> Newport
> Plymouth
> Weymouth
>
> I'm sure you can spot plenty of others too.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
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> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:40:43 +0000
> From: Mark Williams <mark.666 at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed
> To: "Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)" <ajrlists at googlemail.com>
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> Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
>> A quick scoot around our green and pleasant land reveals a number of really
>> unloved places (Why are so many in Lincolnshire!). We need ideas on how to
>> get these places on the map, whether it be motivating the natives or sending
>> in the OSM swat teams to raise the profile. I'd like to hear your crazy as
>> well as sensible ideas :-)
>>
>> In no particular order:
>>
>> Scunthorpe
>> Grimsby
>> Lincoln
>> Doncaster
>> Darlington
>> Middlesbrough
>> Sunderland
>> Perth
>> Bolton
>> Northampton
>> Newport
>> Plymouth
>> Weymouth
>>
>> I'm sure you can spot plenty of others too.
>>
>> Cheers
>
> Basildon, in Essex.
>
> I can't think of many reasons anyone would go there, other than perhaps
> bowling at Bas Vegas or walking round, well, the bits I've already
> walked round... It's all a bit chavvish with added drug users.
>
> It needs a mapping party sometime - I think I'll look at that when the
> weather picks up though, Basildon in the rain is just too awful :)
>
> Although I did see on Ito-world that someone's done a bit recently.
>
> We could do a mapping party with 10-pin bowling after; there may well be
> somewhere amenable to accommodating us for the day.
>
> Has anyone tried a geocaching event with mapping included? Sort of
> 'cache in maps out' as it were... it should pick up some GPS owners.
> I've never understood why there's so little crossover with that. There
> are really quite a lot [of geocaches] in & around Essex.
>
> Can we convince one of the pub listing or similar websites to take on
> our mapping? This would give some fairly public places an incentive to
> get their area done, at least. Things like WI & religious groups often
> have a website & don't want ads all over it as well, and could use clean
> maps, and have lots of activists - mostly without GPS in my experience,
> though.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:49:30 +0000
> From: Peter Miller <peter.miller at itoworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed
> To: Mark Williams <mark.666 at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Cc: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
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> On 12 Dec 2008, at 00:40, Mark Williams wrote:
>
>> Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
>>> A quick scoot around our green and pleasant land reveals a number
>>> of really
>>> unloved places (Why are so many in Lincolnshire!). We need ideas on
>>> how to
>>> get these places on the map, whether it be motivating the natives
>>> or sending
>>> in the OSM swat teams to raise the profile. I'd like to hear your
>>> crazy as
>>> well as sensible ideas :-)
>>>
>>> In no particular order:
>>>
>>> Scunthorpe
>>> Grimsby
>>> Lincoln
>>> Doncaster
>>> Darlington
>>> Middlesbrough
>>> Sunderland
>>> Perth
>>> Bolton
>>> Northampton
>>> Newport
>>> Plymouth
>>> Weymouth
>>>
>>> I'm sure you can spot plenty of others too.
>>>
>
> I have been working on adding wiki pages for every County and Unitary
> Authority in the UK (there are 140 in total) so that we have a
> consistent place to add this sort of information. There were articles
> for some and there are about 19 added so far. Could people add county
> pages for their areas and and use this for a hit-list section of
> wanted places?:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:County_in_England
>
> This is the sort of format I use. A general overview of what is done
> and not done and what people could do:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Suffolk(UK)
>
> For villages it is necessary to create district pages as well
> otherwise there are too many of them in the list. Here is a district
> page with details of what needs to be done and what has been done in
> East Cambs
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/East_Cambridgeshire
>
> New mappers should be able to see what needed to be done in their
> areas and we can use it to plan the 'mopping up' of the missing areas!
>
> Btw, Lincolnshire has the lowest population density of any county in
> England, that might be one reason for the lack of mapping.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>>> Cheers
>>
>> Basildon, in Essex.
>>
>> I can't think of many reasons anyone would go there, other than
>> perhaps
>> bowling at Bas Vegas or walking round, well, the bits I've already
>> walked round... It's all a bit chavvish with added drug users.
>>
> Muki Haslan at UCL published a paper last summer that pointed out that
> OSM was not mapping deprived areas. It has some other useful
> information. I wonder if he could be encouraged to update his research
> and produce a more detailed map.
> http://povesham.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/openstreetmap-quality-evalution-and-other-comparisons/
> .
>
>> It needs a mapping party sometime - I think I'll look at that when the
>> weather picks up though, Basildon in the rain is just too awful :)
>>
>> Although I did see on Ito-world that someone's done a bit recently.
>
> For some time we (at ITO) have being planning to do a thematic mapping
> view of these un-loved places by combining the census data and OSM
> data. Each census output area covers about 100 households so there
> must be able 300,000 of them so it is very detailed. The idea would be
> to check that there are roads in each OA and to look at the ratio of
> roads/people in each  area. We would then produce a thematic map for
> the UK showing where there were people but no roads in OSM. Would that
> be useful? I would need to check but it is my understanding that there
> are no copyright issues with doing this and anyway we are not using it
> to map from we are using it to tell us where to map.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ONS_coding_system
>
>>
>>
>> We could do a mapping party with 10-pin bowling after; there may
>> well be
>> somewhere amenable to accommodating us for the day.
>>
>> Has anyone tried a geocaching event with mapping included? Sort of
>> 'cache in maps out' as it were... it should pick up some GPS owners.
>> I've never understood why there's so little crossover with that. There
>> are really quite a lot [of geocaches] in & around Essex.
>>
>> Can we convince one of the pub listing or similar websites to take on
>> our mapping? This would give some fairly public places an incentive to
>> get their area done, at least. Things like WI & religious groups often
>> have a website & don't want ads all over it as well, and could use
>> clean
>> maps, and have lots of activists - mostly without GPS in my
>> experience,
>> though.
>>
> Do remember that the local councils might be interested themselves.
> There is growing official awareness that OSM exists and might be
> useful to them. That is one reason why I am building the local
> authority pages.
>
> Peter
>
>> Mark
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:13:11 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Steve Hill <steve at nexusuk.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed
> To: Peter Miller <peter.miller at itoworld.com>
> Cc: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
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> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Peter Miller wrote:
>
>> I have been working on adding wiki pages for every County and Unitary
>> Authority in the UK (there are 140 in total) so that we have a
>> consistent place to add this sort of information. There were articles
>> for some and there are about 19 added so far. Could people add county
>> pages for their areas and and use this for a hit-list section of
>> wanted places?:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:County_in_England
>
> Just a thought, but UK != England - might it be an idea to rename this
> page, or is the plan to create separate pages for Wales, Scotland,
> Northern Ireland...?
>
>> Do remember that the local councils might be interested themselves.
>> There is growing official awareness that OSM exists and might be
>> useful to them. That is one reason why I am building the local
>> authority pages.
>
> I'm not sure why the councils would use OSM - as far as I know the
> councils' internal systems (e.g. highways department, etc) are heavilly
> based on OS maps with the council's own layers overlaid.  This means (as I
> interpret it):
>
> 1. The council's own layers are derived from OS maps so could never be
> integrated with OSM
> 2. Since the councils have to publish their maps they presumably already
> have a licence from OS to do so, so using OSM *as well* won't save them
> money.
> 3. Like it or not, OS maps are usually more detailed than OSM - most
> (all?) areas in OSM don't map detail like where the running lanes of a
> road end and the walkway begins and few areas have individual buildings
> mapped.  For example, zoom into some of the residential streets on:
> http://maps.swansea.gov.uk/localview/OnTheMap.aspx
>
> I'd be pretty interested to hear another side to the argument though. :)
>
>   - Steve
>     xmpp:steve at nexusuk.org   sip:steve at nexusuk.org   http://www.nexusuk.org/
>
>       Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:52:05 +0000
> From: "Dave Stubbs" <osm.list at randomjunk.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed
> To: "Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)" <ajrlists at googlemail.com>
> Cc: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
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> 2008/12/11 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <ajrlists at googlemail.com>:
>> A quick scoot around our green and pleasant land reveals a number of really
>> unloved places (Why are so many in Lincolnshire!). We need ideas on how to
>> get these places on the map, whether it be motivating the natives or sending
>> in the OSM swat teams to raise the profile. I'd like to hear your crazy as
>> well as sensible ideas :-)
>>
>> Weymouth
>
>
> Get Yahoo! to invest what little money they have left in some
> satellite imagery for Weymouth. They might just get convinced if you
> point out it's an Olympic venue for 2012. :-)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:23:41 -0000
> From: "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)" <ajrlists at googlemail.com>
> Subject: [Talk-GB] London Olympics - Was: Mapping the unloved and
> 	unwashed
> To: "'Dave Stubbs'" <osm.list at randomjunk.co.uk>
> Cc: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
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> Dave Stubbs wrote:
>> Sent: 12 December 2008 9:52 AM
>> To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
>> Cc: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed
>>
>> 2008/12/11 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <ajrlists at googlemail.com>:
>>> A quick scoot around our green and pleasant land reveals a number of
>> really
>>> unloved places (Why are so many in Lincolnshire!). We need ideas on how
>> to
>>> get these places on the map, whether it be motivating the natives or
>> sending
>>> in the OSM swat teams to raise the profile. I'd like to hear your crazy
>> as
>>> well as sensible ideas :-)
>>>
>>> Weymouth
>>
>>
>> Get Yahoo! to invest what little money they have left in some
>> satellite imagery for Weymouth. They might just get convinced if you
>> point out it's an Olympic venue for 2012. :-)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
>
> Which brings us to another point. We have nearly 4 years to map all the
> Olympic venues. The basis of what we have achieved in the last 4 years its
> almost certain we will have them all covered, but it might be a good idea to
> start a wiki page that lists them all so that locals can focus on what the
> map needs to show for the Olympic visitors. We have a real opportunity to be
> a streak ahead of the pack here.
>
> Here's a stub:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_Olympics_Venues
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:01:13 +0000
> From: Tom Chance <tom at acrewoods.net>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] London Olympics
> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
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> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:23:41 -0000, "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)"
> <ajrlists at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Which brings us to another point. We have nearly 4 years to map all the
>> Olympic venues.
>
> I wonder if there's scope to do some interesting maps that nobody else will
> provide as well / quickly? Or to encourage others to use OSM for their
> ends?
>
> For example:
>
> - first to have it all on the map with good detail
> - great information and routing for cyclists and pedestrians
> - 'alternative' visitor info like genuinely sustainable places to eat,
> perhaps link up with the LA21 Green Map people
>
> There will be lots of organisations who might use OSM maps in reports / web
> sites coming up if we alert them, I know lots of them through work as we
> wrote the sustainability strategy and political activity (e.g. London21,
> nef, WWF, Green Party, London Citizens). I'm sure we collectively know
> loads of others.
>
> Tom
>
>
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