[Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?
Richard Mann
richard.mann.westoxford at googlemail.com
Wed Nov 11 10:39:58 GMT 2009
I found this a useful summary of the UK copyright position:
http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_use
This was the reason for my comment that our use on a street map would be
akin to news reporting (ie - to me - a simple way of precisely, concisely
and neutrally representing the organisation concerned). Of course it doesn't
hurt to ask, but the question should be "this is fair use, isn't it", not
"can I have a free licence". I agree that it's not "incidental" use.
I'd also say that while our purpose is to provide geodata, we do need to
provide it both in raw form, and in a rendered form (and that includes
settling questions like these). Rendering could be easier, but it will never
be "easy".
Maybe a lesson is that the default rendered form should be a bit less
ambitious in what it includes (such as buildings and housenumbers), with a
more thorough version provided for those who figure out what the "+" button
means. A few "more thorough" versions are useful to illustrate the greater
detail that's available in certain categories (eg cycle and bus/train
routes), and the ways in which renderers can re-present the data, but these
should ideally move towards being in an accessible "you can do this too"
form.
Richard
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Tom Chance <tom at acrewoods.net> wrote:
> 2009/11/10 Richard Mann <richard.mann.westoxford at googlemail.com>
>
>> The roundel (the simple red ring and blue bar version) is more than 70
>> years old, if that makes any difference. The BR logo is somewhat newer,
>> however.
>>
>> Putting it on a map feels to me to be akin to news reporting, so it might
>> constitute fair use.
>>
>>
> First, there's no such thing as fair use in the UK, we have "fair dealing"
> which is quite different to "fair use" provisions in other countries.
> Second, never ever put OSM in a position where it is open to serious legal
> attack based on your or my untrained feeling :)
>
> We get permission from TfL, or we seek costly legal advice.
>
> On a cartography point, would we specify a rule for the operator TfL so
> that every other metro system doesn't get the same logo? Would this open the
> Mapnik stylesheet up to thousands of extra lines to accommodate every local
> symbol?
>
> Best wishes,
> Tom
>
>
> --
> http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance
>
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