[Talk-GB] OS OpenData StreetView

[Tim Francois]

Craig, Russ - thanks for that link. I was convinced that I'd seen that
somewhere before when wiki surfing months back but couldn't for the life of
me remember where. Looks like I'll be reverting my edits back to 'Saint',
and updating my OS Locator script - I'm happy to stick with the rules!

Cheers
Tim 

-----Original Message-----
From: craigloftus at gmail.com [mailto:craigloftus at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Craig Loftus
Sent: 05 May 2010 14:43
To: Tim Francois
Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData StreetView

> Follow the street sign. This usually means "Street", but not "Saint".
>
> I think St-as-in-Saint has become a distinct word (pronounced "Sunt"

I'm not convinced; about the street sign being the final arbiter or about
'St' being a word. I will accept it is colloquially pronounced Sunt by
people with certain accents, but that doesn't make it a different word.

According to 'convention' (see URL) abbreviation should be left to the
interface. I impy this to mean that the surveyor should do the work to
determine whether it is Street or Saint that is meant. We can apply the
convention in reverse by seeing the maps and street signs that the names are
taken from as 'interfaces' - which can include abbreviations and mistakes.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing_Standards_and_Conventions#Street_
Names

Craig

On 5 May 2010 12:26, Tim Francois <sk1ppy14 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Just to be clear, we were originally talking about St-as-in-Saint!
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Mann [mailto:richard.mann.westoxford at googlemail.com]
> Sent: 05 May 2010 12:17
> To: Tim Francois
> Cc: Craig Loftus; talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData StreetView
>
> Follow the street sign. This usually means "Street", but not "Saint".
>
> I think St-as-in-Saint has become a distinct word (pronounced "Sunt"
> not "Saint", and with no full stop after the t) and looks peculiar 
> when expanded, whereas St-as-in-Street is only an abbreviation.
>
> Richard
>
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Tim Francois <sk1ppy14 at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>> Oh, really? I've just changed a few from "Saint" to "St." based on 
>> road signs. Personally, I'm not bothered either way (though it does 
>> mean that my neat OS Locator comparison table will never reduce to
>> zero!!) as most people know the difference, but is there a general
> consensus on this?
>>
>> Also, apologies for suggesting you walked anywhere...!! ;)
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: craigloftus at gmail.com [mailto:craigloftus at gmail.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Craig Loftus
>> Sent: 05 May 2010 11:56
>> To: Tim Francois
>> Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData StreetView
>>
>>> OSM has the apostrophe after being surveyed to check (thanks Craig!).
>>
>> Although I did make the correction and a number of other; this 
>> instance wasn't based on a ground survey, I just decide it made sense.
>> The track runs passed a cemetery which indicates that it is is 
>> holiness himself that owns the way; for which an apostrophe would be
> required.
>>
>> Although I don't want to discourage you getting more sunshine, 
>> apostrophes are a fun example... street signs can't be taken as the 
>> final word on the name of a road. I know of roads which are signed 
>> with an apostrophe at one end and without at the other. However, do 
>> we then need to worry about street names that have 'legitimately' 
>> (with
>> time) changed as the result of misspelling?! Hmm... much scope for 
>> shed painting in that issue.
>>
>> The main occurrence of this problem is roads named after saints. 
>> Which have the additional problem of the abbreviated saint (St) and 
>> whether or not periods follow them. I've been fanatically changing 
>> them to the full 'proper' form irrespective of what a particular source
says e.g.
>> "Saint John's Square".
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On 5 May 2010 11:31, Tim Francois <sk1ppy14 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Is that layer 17 I see before me....?!
>>>
>>> Also, after my email about name discrepancies between the OS Locator 
>>> and OS StreetView packages, I can now confirm that OS StreetView 
>>> DOES display apostrophes on SOME roadnames. For example, have a look 
>>> at Pope's Walk 
>>> http://os.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.369529&lon=-2.348878&zoom=17. OS 
>>> Locator says it's Popes Walk (no apostrophe), but StreetView does 
>>> include the apostrophe. OSM has the apostrophe after being surveyed 
>>> to
>> check (thanks Craig!).
>>>
>>> I guess even more reason to get outside!
>>>
>>> Tim
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