[Talk-GB] Location of 27,000 street lights in one council area

Peter Miller peter.miller at itoworld.com
Tue Oct 12 16:56:26 BST 2010


On 12 October 2010 14:32, Gregory Williams <
gregory.williams at purplegeodesoftware.co.uk> wrote:

>  I wonder whether it may have been these ones in Norfolk:
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> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4631482
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> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4631508
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> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4631551
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> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4631742
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> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4632256
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> By the looks of things they’ve since been removed from OSM.
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Looks likely given the following on WhatDoTheyKnow.

"Dear Mr Chamberlain

"I can confirm that any permission to re-use the data would need to be
obtained from Ordnance Survey.

"As the data was collected using Ordnance Survey mapping, they would deem
it to be a derived dataset which would be governed under the rules of
the Mapping Services Agreement. That agreement covers use by ourselves
and a third party carrying out work on our behalf under a Contractor's
Agreement, but would not extend beyond this (e.g. it does not cover use
by someone who obtains the data under FOI).
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/street_light_locations_and_refer


However...

The OS has since removed any claims to such derived data. See Ed Parsons
blog:
"The real innovation “Free to use” terms, means that organisations licensing
data for business use, are able to infer the position or create new data
without restrictions as long as the new data is not a direct copy of
an existing feature in the OS product.
http://www.edparsons.com/2010/10/well-done-os-derived-rules-clarified/

So... Possibly someone could do the import again and even request lots more
of the same. Possibly we need a serious 'operation lamppost' and then
Frederik Ramm can have his openstreetlight project working well which he has
dreamed about in the past.


Regards,



Peter


>
> Cheers,
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> Gregory
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> *From:* talk-gb-bounces at openstreetmap.org [mailto:
> talk-gb-bounces at openstreetmap.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Miller
> *Sent:* 12 October 2010 13:40
> *To:* Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Location of 27,000 street lights in one council area
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> Tom Steinberg from MySociety writes:
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> "I was just talking to someone in a local council about the fact that
> they’d opened up the location of 27,000 streetlights in their council area.
> They wanted to know if FixMyStreet <http://fixmystreet.com/> could
> incorporate them so that problem reports could be more accurately attached.
> http://www.mysociety.org/2010/10/12/a-wish-list-for-geodata-on-fixmystreet/
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> Does anyone fancy finding out where this is and organising an import?
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> Regards,
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> Peter
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