[Talk-GB] Talk-GB Digest, Vol 58, Issue 3

Fozy 81 fozy81 at hotmail.com
Mon Jul 4 18:20:24 BST 2011


Hi,

Bob, if you want to scape the wiki for info, you could try these tools:

http://scraperwiki.com/
 
I was thinking of visualising this page, to give a sense of the developer community:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_OSM_based_Services

Possibly more category and date tagging would help visualise the wiki. 

I was going to use the Many Eyes website to start with.

I'll let you know how I get on.

Tim

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>    1. Re: Documentation and Visualisation (woll)
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>    3. Re: Documentation and Visualisation Proposal = dead (Bob Kerr)
>    4. Re: Documentation and Visualisation (Andy Mabbett)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 08:31:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: woll <woll at 2-islands.com>
> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Documentation and Visualisation
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> 
> Bob Kerr wrote:
> > 
> > I would need to be able to zoom in on a proposal that has not be acted on
> > for a year so that I could deleted it,
> > 
> 
> Please don't delete 'old' proposals. They should 'never' be deleted, so that
> next time someone thinks of a similar proposal they can use the previous one
> as a starting point (or use it to realise why the proposal was not a good
> one).
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Documentation-and-Visualisation-tp6542810p6543328.html
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 16:43:15 +0100 (BST)
> From: Bob Kerr <openstreetmapcraigmillar at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: woll <woll at 2-islands.com>,	"talk-gb at openstreetmap.org"
> 	<talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Documentation and Visualisation
> Message-ID:
> 	<1309707795.40222.YahooMailNeo at web28213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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> 
> I am not going to delete anything, I am trying to suggest a method where we can take control of the wiki, in a similar way that we control the map data.
> 
> We tag the wiki pages
> 
> we could also use things like
> 
> page=application_description
> page=instruction
> page=introduction
> page=reference
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: woll <woll at 2-islands.com>
> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
> Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011, 16:31
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Documentation and Visualisation
> 
> 
> Bob Kerr wrote:
> > 
> > I would need to be able to zoom in on a proposal that has not be acted on
> > for a year so that I could deleted it,
> > 
> 
> Please don't delete 'old' proposals. They should 'never' be deleted, so that
> next time someone thinks of a similar proposal they can use the previous one
> as a starting point (or use it to realise why the proposal was not a good
> one).
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Documentation-and-Visualisation-tp6542810p6543328.html
> Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 16:54:06 +0100 (BST)
> From: Bob Kerr <openstreetmapcraigmillar at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: woll <woll at 2-islands.com>,	"talk-gb at openstreetmap.org"
> 	<talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Documentation and Visualisation Proposal = dead
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> We could add proposal= dead to the wiki page then we can filter all the dead pages so see all the things that have been proposed and see what has been done before
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Bob
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Bob Kerr <openstreetmapcraigmillar at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: woll <woll at 2-islands.com>; "talk-gb at openstreetmap.org" <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011, 16:43
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Documentation and Visualisation
> 
> 
> I am not going to delete anything, I am trying to suggest a method where we can take control of the wiki, in a similar way that we control the map data.
> 
> We tag the wiki pages
> 
> we could also use things like
> 
> page=application_description
> page=instruction
> page=introduction
> page=reference
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: woll <woll at 2-islands.com>
> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
> Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011, 16:31
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Documentation and Visualisation
> 
> 
> Bob Kerr wrote:
> > 
> > I would need to be able to zoom in on a proposal that has not be acted on
> > for a year so that I could deleted it,
> > 
> 
> Please don't delete 'old' proposals. They should 'never' be deleted, so that
> next time someone thinks of a similar proposal they can use the previous one
> as a starting point (or use it to realise why the proposal was not a good
> one).
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Documentation-and-Visualisation-tp6542810p6543328.html
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:29:19 +0100
> From: Andy Mabbett <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk>
> To: "talk-gb at openstreetmap.org" <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Documentation and Visualisation
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> Have a look at how Wikipedia uses categories.
> 
> -- 
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
> On Jul 3, 2011 9:43 AM, "Bob Kerr" <openstreetmapcraigmillar at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was thinking last night about the ITO Analysis heat map as a tool that
> motivates people to look into doing some mapping in different area's.
> >
> > http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/map_browser
> >
> >
> > I was wondering what statistics are available that we could use to make an
> interactive visualisation/map of the quality/last time edited of the pages
> on the wiki.
> > I think analysing the whole wiki might be too confusing but maybe a
> smaller subset like tags might be worth experimenting on. If we had a map
> which shows which tags have been accepted, which are proposed and not voted
> on, which are proposed and abandoned, which set of tags are confusing or
> need to be rethought. I am definitely thinking of a map and not a series of
> graphs, I would need to be able to zoom in on a proposal that has not be
> acted on for a year so that I could deleted it,
> >
> > If we gave the wiki page itself some tags
> >
> > page=proposal
> >
> > date:started=01/01/2011
> >
> > voting=02/07/2011
> >
> > If we had a voting tag then we can show which proposals are currently
> being voted on
> >
> > spanish=no
> >
> > needs translation
> >
> > duplication= wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/********
> >
> > cleanup= yes
> >
> > for areas that we need more documentation we can create a page then add
> the tag
> >
> > page=not started
> >
> >
> > My mind is wandering a bit this morning so if this sounds daft please
> ignore
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Bob
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 10:09:18 +0100 (BST)
> From: Bob Kerr <openstreetmapcraigmillar at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: Andy Mabbett <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk>,
> 	"talk-gb at openstreetmap.org" <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Documentation and Visualisation
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> 
> Excellent, much better than my idea of tags
> 
> This would bring me to the visualisation done by Chris Harrison on visualising wikipedia
> 
> http://www.chrisharrison.net/projects/wikiviz/index.html
> 
> 
> and
> 
> http://www.chrisharrison.net/projects/clusterball/
> 
> 
> is there any value in something like this for increasing the quality of our wiki/documentation
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Andy Mabbett <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk>
> To: "talk-gb at openstreetmap.org" <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011, 21:29
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Documentation and Visualisation
> 
> 
> Have a look at how Wikipedia uses categories.
> 
> -- 
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
> On Jul 3, 2011 9:43 AM, "Bob Kerr" <openstreetmapcraigmillar at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi,?
> > 
> > I was thinking last night about the ITO Analysis heat map as a tool that motivates people to look into doing some mapping in different area's.
> > 
> > http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/map_browser
> > 
> > 
> > I was wondering what statistics are available that we could use to make an interactive visualisation/map of the quality/last time edited of the pages on the wiki.
> > I think analysing the whole wiki might be too confusing but maybe a smaller subset like tags might be worth experimenting on. If we had a map which shows which tags have been accepted, which are proposed and not voted on, which are proposed and abandoned, which set of tags are confusing or need to be rethought. I am definitely thinking of a map and not a series of graphs, I would need to be able to zoom in on a proposal that has not be acted on for a year so that I could deleted it,
> > 
> > If we gave the wiki page itself some tags
> > 
> > page=proposal
> > 
> > date:started=01/01/2011
> > 
> > voting=02/07/2011
> > 
> > If we had a voting tag then we can show which proposals are currently being voted on
> > 
> > spanish=no
> > 
> > needs translation
> > 
> > duplication=?wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/********
> > 
> > cleanup= yes
> > 
> > for areas that we need more documentation we can create a page then add the tag
> > 
> > page=not started
> > 
> > 
> > My mind is wandering a bit this morning so if this sounds daft please ignore
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Bob
> 
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