[Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

[SK53 on OSM]

On 09/06/2011 15:47, SteveC wrote:
> On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:42, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM 
> <SK53_osm at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:SK53_osm at yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> Generally, I am still opposed to a bot. There is a substantial body 
>> of evidence that automated imports damage the ability to recruit and 
>> nuture new mappers.
>
> Could you cite the evidence? Is it just hand waving about AND or 
> something more specific?
>
Generally Google (or perhaps Bing) is your friend, but::

Latvia, ex.Jaak Lainste 
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-February/056786.html
Austria ex Felix Hartmann 
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-February/056801.html

I may be thinking of Derick Rethan's example when I mentioned AND.

For completeness I should cite Chile, where they have a good experience:

Chile ex Julio Costa 
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-February/056770.html

There are other disasters like the French Cadastre 
<http://osm.org/go/0BOhfIg4F-> or the Danish 
<http://osm.org/go/0SpJwUg74-> address import where data was imported 
but no-one ever put the roads in. The Danes seem to be quite happy and 
seem to have rectified quite a bit of the data recently thanks to Bing 
imagery; I certainly wasnt when buildings I'd added in Briancon were 
just zapped for an import, nor did the number of import clean-ups I did 
on the cadastre because there were huge number of duplicates overwhelm 
me with joy.

I used to be sceptical about the anti-import lobby (e.g., The Pottery 
Club 
<http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2009/11/10/the-pottery-club/>), 
seeing it as the 'old-hands' resenting things not been done the hard 
way; and like others here I believed if I traced roads in then people 
would come along and stick the names on. They didn't names only appeared 
when either a) I surveyed them, or b) I added them from OSSV data. So I 
now no longer buy into "the build and they will come" theory: it rarely 
works in other domains which is why firms spend money on advertising and 
marketing.

One last thing: I believe the onus is on import advocates to demonstrate 
how the import will deliver value & strengthen OSM.

Imports will never get the A46 changes 
<http://sk53-osm.blogspot.com/2011/05/along-fosse-way-mapping-new-road.html> 
mapped within a day or so of them happening: and this is the real story 
to sell OSM rather than "We're almost as good as the free data set from 
the Ordnance Survey". Also imports, and even mapping parties by 
non-locals will never get the data good enough to be able to just focus 
on what has changed. It's really frustrating going round a place which 
looks well mapped and ending up adding 20 new streets because the 
obvious cues aren't there. I doubt if anyone else has done anything like 
Dair Grant <http://www.refnum.com/projects/osm/edinburgh/>'s Edinburgh 
survey.

J

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