[Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

[Adam Hoyle]

Sorry in advance - after writing this I've realised I'm possibly heading off on a tangent (I do that).

Speaking of the awesomeness of Cycle Map and how that encourages people - I really want an openwalkingtothepubmap, which would basically be a clone of the gorgeous cycle map, but with the coloured cycle routes removed in favour of coloured paths and also pubs visible when quite zoomed out (and prolly post boxes too, but that is probably particularly niche).

I'm starting to realise that I might need to roll up my sleeves and do this myself.

Every now and then I try to install Mapnik on my Mac, and mostly fail, but I tried t'other day and it worked, so I'm wondering where the various styles that are used on OSM are kept (or even if they are actually available for derivative use) - I'm most keen on cyclemap or something that has gradients, cos as a walker I'm quite interested in whether I am about to walk over a massive hill or not.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

All the best,

Adam

On 10 Jun 2011, at 09:35, Bob Kerr wrote:

> I agree with Andy about increasing the number of mappers is essential. With Cycle map he has increased the interest in the cycling communities. Getting interest and publicity is very difficult. I can see many other communities that we could encourage to start helping us, from NHS to golfers but we have no organised way of doing this at the moment. Using a bot to replace large sections of data in the UK is going to be counterproductive or destructive, especially as the UK is now 80% (road name)complete.  However restricting a bot by area to the size of small villages may help. I believe we can both encourage people to join us and use the a bot on small areas at the same time.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> bob
> 
> 
> From: Andy Allan <gravitystorm at gmail.com>
> To: SK53_osm at yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
> Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2011, 16:45
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot
> 
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM
> <SK53_osm at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In order to get  a better level of completeness in the UK what we need are
> > more mappers.
> 
> Absolutely.
> 
> Everything we do should be focussed on helping get more mappers, or
> helping the mappers we have get their jobs done more easily.
> Everything that is a direct substitute for having more mappers is, at
> best, a distraction from (what I see as) the desired goal. If we have
> mappers, and lots of them, then - as we've now demonstrated - we can
> get a glorious dataset.
> 
> Note that not everyone here shares the same goals - some people are
> focussed on the data, others on the community. It might be worth
> examining why we (collectively) have a tendency to discuss the data
> all the time and I see very few discussions on community matters.
> 
> I find in most conversations, if the answer is "because we don't have
> enough mappers yet" then the solution is not to bypass them with some
> form of automation but to get more of them. Unfortunately to most
> OSMers, community building seems hard (which it is), and writing bots
> or doing imports seems easy (which it's not).
> 
> > A bot is putting short-term gain ahead of our long-term interests.
> 
> Indeed. What's more, all the effort that goes into writing bots,
> discussing them, justifying them etc is time that hasn't gone into the
> primary goal of recruiting and helping more people to OSM.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy
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