[Talk-GB] The Monsal Trail in Derbyshire

Andy Robinson ajrlists at gmail.com
Sun Dec 16 08:26:56 GMT 2012

A trail such as Monsal (and many others that follow disused rail lines) is
normally accessible by vehicle for maintenance purposes. It's not open to
the general public as it's a leisure route for walkers, cyclists and horse
riders (though I can't recall ever seeing a horse on there in all the times
I've visited).


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave F. [mailto:davefox at madasafish.com]
> Sent: 16 December 2012 01:07
> Cc: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] The Monsal Trail in Derbyshire
> On 15/12/2012 18:44, SomeoneElse wrote:
> > A couple of weeks ago I spent a very cold day walking up and down part
> > of the Monsal Trail - essentially from Little Longstone to the A6.
> >
> > It has been remapped since the tunnels reopened, but is in places a
> > bit of a hodge-podge, so I propose to standardise it a bit as follows:
> >
> > o Instead of the mixture of highway=cycleway, highway=path and
> > highway=track that exists currently, replace with highway=track
> > throughout (it's all wide enough for the trail maintenance folks' Land
> > Rovers), but with appropriate access tags (which is I think* foot and
> > bicycle=yes or permissive, and probably horse=yes or permissive,
> > vehicle=no) and also surface and lit tags.
> I don't know this route; do motorised vehicles have access to all of it?
> If not I don't think highway=track should be used throughout. According to
> the wiki it is accessible to all vehicles.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Track.
> >
> > o Where the name tag incorporates both a tunnel name and a trail name
> > (like with way http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/116465140)
> move
> > the tunnel name to some other tag.  Although I'm normally sqeamish
> > about having paths labelled after the most well-known trail that uses
> > them, in the case of the Monsal Trail I'm tempted to leave the
> > "name=Monsal Trail" labelling, because that's what the locals would
> > refer to it as.
> Route relations were invented to specifically solve this problem. The
> Trail is a route that uses these ways. Other named routes could also use
> them, now or in the future. Putting the route in a relation avoids naming
> clashes. See the numerous NCN routes as examples.
> >
> > o Some of the ways that formed the old Monsal Trail before the tunnels
> > reopened are still present in OSM (and in some cases far from obvious
> > on the ground).  Where these are tagged as bicycle-appropriate but
> > clearly aren't I'll remove that tagging;
> Again, I don't know the specifics, but just because the route has be moved
> does that mean you can't cycle on the old ways?
> Cheers
> Dave F.
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