[Talk-GB] Using rights of way data

Dudley Ibbett dudleyibbett at hotmail.com
Mon Apr 29 20:32:11 UTC 2013


Has anyone tried to obtain the Definitive Statements from Derbyshire or Staffordshire County Councils in electronic format?

The Derbyshire website just talks about arranging a visit to see the document.



> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:04:39 +0100
> From: robert.whittaker+osm at gmail.com
> To: Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Using rights of way data
> On 28 April 2013 12:06, Will Phillips <wp4587 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I notice rights of way data from a number of county councils is
> > available on the rowmaps.com site. It is stated that this is available
> > under the  'Ordnance Survey OpenData licence'.  Is there any consensus
> > over whether it is considered permissible to use this data in OSM?
> >
> > I've been working on the understanding that OGL licensed data is
> > acceptable (I always tag the source). But I am unclear on the current
> > position regarding the Ordnance Survey OpenData licence.
> The OS OpenData Licence adds some additional obligations concerning
> downstream attribution that are not present in the Open Government
> Licence (OGL). My view is that these additional obligations make the
> OS OpenData Licence forwards incompatible with the ODbL+DbCL licence
> that OSM uses. But not everyone agrees with this view, and OS
> themselves have given indications to the contrary in the past.
> However, the most recent definitive statement from OS that I am aware
> of appears to say that OS's view is that the OS OpenData Licence is
> not forwards compatible with the ODbL+DbCL. For details see
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Licensing/Ordnance_Survey_OpenData_License
> and http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/os-open-data.html
> The traditional position of OSM is to be cautious over copyright. So
> without any legal certainty in the interpretation of the terms, and
> with the licence owner now stating that the license is incompatible, I
> think there is no way we can use OS OpenData Licensed content in OSM
> -- unless we additionally obtain the explicit consent of the copyright
> holder(s). This is of course rather unsatisfactory, given then amount
> of Local Government data that is starting to be released under the OS
> OpenData Licence. Rob Nickerson and myself have tried to raise this
> problem with the Office of Public Sector Information and the Open Data
> User Group -- see the request at
> http://data.gov.uk/data-requests/all-datasets-available-under-the-os-opendata-licence-ordnance-survey
> , but so far we haven't had any success.
> There is, however, one set of OS OpenData Licensed data that we can
> use in OSM, and that is the OS OpenData products themselves. Here OS
> have given us special permission (at the request of LWG) to make use
> of OS OpenData (with the exception of CodePoint Open) in OSM. See
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata
> At the moment, if we want to make use of the GIS Public Rights of Way
> data that Local Authorities are releasing, I think we would need to
> get explicit permission from OS, and also permission from each Local
> Authority -- since both have IP rights in the data. This will be a
> real pain, not least because the Local Authorities are unlikely to
> appreciate the legal issues or want to go to the trouble/expense of
> getting their legal people involved.
> On the brighter side, there is one Rights of Way document that we can
> get to use in OSM, which avoids any OS IP issues. That document is the
> "Definitive Statement" -- a list of Rights of Way (with route
> descriptions) that each Local Authority is legally required to
> maintain. The route descriptions are variable, depending on the
> Authority, so some may be more use than others for OSM mapping. For
> some advice of how to get hold of this document and request permission
> to use it in OSM, see
> http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/prow/council-docs.html .
> Robert.
> http://robert.mathmos.net/
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Robert%20Whittaker
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