[Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

Graham Jones grahamjones139 at gmail.com
Tue Jan 1 14:54:52 GMT 2013

Thanks Steven,
I am pretty sure that any reference to Google maps/imagery is not allowed
(it would be worth searching through the mail archives for last time it was
You are right though about the age of the Bing imagery - I noticed that the
cement works is still there in the photos.  I think I tagged it as
'Former....' and used landuse=brownfield, which was the best I could think
of for what is there now.  Just proves the benefit of real surveys rather
than just tracing from the photos!


On 1 January 2013 14:44, Steven Horner <steven at stevenhorner.com> wrote:

> Good job there Graham. I know most of the area around there quite well.
> The Bing imagery is old, it still shows the cement works which was
> demolished in 2005 I think. Compare it to Google and you can see it is
> there no more. Although you can't use Google Satellite view to trace there
> is surely no harm in looking at it in another window to help identify if
> something is a wall or a fence then jumping back to Bing imagery to fill
> in, maybe that isn't allowed but you aren't drawing it from Google maps.
> You can see several of the bits you missed because you were unsure are
> clearly walls.
> Something I have been considering doing on walks is a timelapse using my
> GoPro, setting it to take pictures every few seconds which would aid in
> identifying later. The battery doesn't last long so it could only be used
> for an hour or so but I will give that a go next time. It has a wide POV so
> captures quite a lot.
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Graham Jones <grahamjones139 at gmail.com>wrote:
>> I guess it depends on what you think is 'difficult' - to actually survey
>> them means a lot of walking, so I tend to only add the ones that I can
>> remember when I get home, and get the routes from Bing.
>> I have just had another look and for dry stone walls, it is quite easy to
>> distinguish some in Bing images, which lends itself to armchair mapping,
>> but it depends on the direction of the sun - I feel I need the shadow to be
>> confident that it is a wall I am looking at and not a track.  But a
>> reasonable guess that there is a feature there is probably more use than a
>> sheet full of nothingness...so I have just spent 20 mins with bing imagery
>> adding walls to a hillside that I know has lots of walls on it, and I had
>> started adding quite a few from my last visit (
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.74429&lon=-2.09388&zoom=16&layers=M).
>>   The suspicious gaps are where I can not tell/remember if there is a fence
>> to replace the apparently disappeared wall....   Wire fences of course are
>> much harder to spot....  I'll look for the errors next time I am there and
>> correct them...
>> Graham.
>> On 1 January 2013 11:15, Dudley Ibbett <dudleyibbett at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> My main motivation for getting involved with OSM was to get a better
>>> walking map on my garmin.   To this extent I have been adding lots of
>>> barriers in the southern part of the Peak District.  So it is being done.
>>>  Whilst it is time consuming I wouldn't say it is difficult.  I do survey
>>> with a GPS and camera as much as possible, mainly on foot.  It can be
>>> difficult to determine the type of barrier from satellite imagery so having
>>> pictures to refer to makes it easier.  JOSM supports photo mapping really
>>> well.  You do need to check GPS tracks against the imagery and be prepared
>>> to adjust the imagery offset.  I wouldn't get overly concerned about the
>>> accuracy of the position of the barrier.  A fairly good job can be done
>>> with the existing tools available and people can always adjust as these
>>> improve.
>>> I must admit I don't map land use if it is farmland.  To me if it isn't
>>> mapped it is farmland.  It would seem a reasonable default.
>>> Please give barrier mapping a go as we are out there.
>>> Dudley
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> On 31 Dec 2012, at 22:00, "Graham Jones" <grahamjones139 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> I would like to see field boundaries and land uses in OSM, for the same
>>> reason as you.   I think the main reason that there are not many in there,
>>> is that they are very difficult to survey.  I have just added them from
>>> memory when I have been able to remember enough - it is more realistic to
>>> add them now that we have high resolution Bing imagery for countryside
>>> areas, but it is a lot of work, even from an armchair.
>>> Graham.
>>> On 31 December 2012 21:17, Steven Horner <steven at stevenhorner.com>wrote:
>>>> Personally I would love to see fields (landuse) and the walls/fences
>>>> that make this up marked on OSM but as per the Wiki this is a complicated
>>>> area:
>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Land_use_and_areas_of_natural_land
>>>> I mapped a small area with landuse and some fences months ago but
>>>> refrained from doing anymore because not many others appear to be doing it.
>>>> You can see what I did here:
>>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.72508907318115&lon=-1.7569917440414429&zoom=17
>>>> Some of this I need to fix, it was my early days of OSM editing.
>>>> I would love to use OSM one day as a replacement for Explorer (25K)
>>>> maps but until things like walls/fences are shown it would be hard to do.
>>>> My idea was to use the OSM to produce some walking guides in printed or
>>>> static form but they would need this data added for those areas.
>>>> I know everyones view is different but do others on here use the
>>>> landuse and barrier=fence tags in the same way or does it make it look too
>>>> complicated.
>>>> Steven
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