[Talk-GB] Bing imagery

Tue Mar 4 11:56:21 UTC 2014

Try anywhere across Wolverhampton through Willenhall to Walsall - as you
zoom through to level 19 you'll briefly see a nice sharp clear image which
then reverts spontaneously to a less clear image with a huge shadow which
furhter obscures detail.

Regards

Brian

On 3 March 2014 18:42, Will Phillips <wp4587 at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Eric,
>
> Try here:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.92611&mlon=-1.21314#map=18/52.92611/-1.21314
>
> At this location, I can see the roof of a supermarket at zoom level 19. I
> get a 'No tiles at this zoom level' message if I zoom in further.
> Previously, I would see an area of waste ground before the supermarket was
> built at zoom 20. And an even older view of the site at zoom level 21.
>
> Regards,
> Will
>
>
> On 03/03/2014 18:15, Eric Grosso wrote:
>
> Will,
>
>  Could you please give an example of an area where the others, e.g. SK53,
> can see the high-resolution imagery in order to see if it works for us.
>
>  Thanks,
> Eric
>
>
> On 3 March 2014 16:35, Will Phillips <wp4587 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  What I don't understand is why some people are seeing this problem but
>> other aren't. I've just got someone who edits in another part of the
>> country, and so will not be seeing cached images, to have a look at a
>> location in my local area in JOSM. They could definitely see three
>> different lots of high-res imagery at different zoom levels. Others,
>> including SK53 and Blackadder, have indicated seeing the same. On the other
>> hand, Eric's message below describes exactly what I am seeing, as did Steve
>> Brook's message yesterday.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Will
>>
>>
>> On 03/03/2014 14:10, Eric Grosso wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  I encountered exactly the same problem at the end of last week (before
>> the higher zoom level images of my editing zone were still in cache and hid
>> the problem) -- location: Edinburgh, Scotland.
>>
>>  Apparently this problem appeared for some contributors at the beginning
>> of last December:
>> - (5 December)
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2013-December/010190.html
>> - (7 December)
>> https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/28868/aerial-background-imagery-disappears-in-p2-if-i-zoom-in-to-a-high-level-it-did-not-in-the-past
>> - (18 December) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23592
>>
>>  Because the source of the problem is apparently due to some changes in
>> the Bing maps API, the developers of the OSM editors, at least those of
>> JOSM, did not much investigated this problem -- see comments 11 and 16
>> here: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9408.
>>
>>  @ Filip: an employee of Microsoft gave partially an answer here:
>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/live/en-US/8e2af97a-f5e5-4ae0-acec-562db7e134d0/why-is-it-that-the-bing-map-control-has-a-much-lower-resolution-than-the-website?forum=bingmapswindows8
>>
>>  Some people think that there is a link with the launch of the new 3D
>> Bing maps data:
>> http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx
>>
>>  I also checked on the Bing maps website. It appears that we can only
>> access the zoom level 19 when using the Bing Aerial imagery (
>> http://www.bing.com/maps/) without showing labels. But if the labels are
>> activated, it's possible to access all zoom levels even those higher than
>> 19. So at the moment, because the Bing/OSM licence -- as far as I
>> understand it -- doesn't allow the OSM contributors to use another Bing
>> imagery than the Aerial one without the labels, the problem seems currently
>> unsolvable.
>>
>>  Cheers,
>> Eric
>>
>> On 3 March 2014 10:00, SomeoneElse <lists at mail.atownsend.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Zooming in on Nottingham I'm seeing three different imagery versions at
>>>> different zoom levels. I don't anything missing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  Here's a specific example, to the north in Mansfield:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=19/53.14850/-1.18456
>>>
>>> (using P2 because it doesn't overzoom)
>>>
>>> At z19 there's the current road layout.  At z20 (or 21?) the old road
>>> layout used to be visible (the footpath that you can see used to be a
>>> road).  I remember this one only because SK53 and I specifically discussed
>>> the old road configuration, and I first mapped it (well, tidied up the
>>> ex-NPE roads already there) when the roads were being changed to the new
>>> configuration.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
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