[Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

[Andy Townsend]

On 18/08/2015 07:43, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
>
> On 18 Aug 2015 03:56, "Andy Townsend" <ajt1047 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:ajt1047 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > There's no interest to do this in the OSM "standard" style because 
> it is abundantly clear that any new attempts at changes that make 
> rural navigation possible* in OSM-carto would be rejected based on the 
> ones that already have been over the last year.
>
> This is not true, a different rendering based on hiking routes or 
> public rights of way is something we could certainly consider.
>

As I said previously, changes such as this aren't really relevant "if 
you can't see the paths themselves at all at a zoom level you'd use for 
planning a route over them.".

However, now you're saying "... a different rendering ...".  In the 
immediately previous message you said:

"So far there is little interest to do this on the OSM default render 
style which seems odd to me given how much fuss there has been on this 
list to recent changes to the footway/path style (over the last year)!"

It is that was what I was replying to, explaining why there's little 
interest to do that on the OSM default render style.  Maybe that was 
just a trolling question that I shouldn't have replied to late at night 
:)  Back in 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-August/017680.html the 
first question I asked was "Are we talking about OSM-Carto here?", 
because it was unclear what you were suggesting.


> Please stop antagonizing the default rendering as if it is on a 
> mission to make your life as hard as possible, it comes across very 
> childish and is a counterproductive way of discussing.
>
I don't believe that I've ever made _that_ claim :)

> > Although it hasn't been explicitly stated, the direction of travel 
> of that style is clear - some people want a map style that's useful 
> for navigation, others want something that "looks nice"; based on 
> comments on the issues raised it's clear that the people maintaining 
> the style are in the latter group rather than the former.
>
> Not true either - our main criterium for the recent changes is 
> "readability", and that definitely includes being able to use the map 
> for navigation.
>
Frankly, that's not what I'm reading from e.g. 
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/747#issuecomment-50188728 
.

As I've said before, one map style can't do everything and a decision to 
do X will necessarily be at the expense of Y, although I'd rather it had 
been more explicitly stated rather more explicitly. Although 
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CARTOGRAPHY.md 
does say "There are multiple primary purposes of the map style, which 
pull in different directions", it doesn't say what trade-offs are being 
made and why - but maybe that's not the point of that document.

However, if you're now asking about a _different_ rendering, maybe you 
need to explain a bit more about what you're proposing?  Are you 
suggesting an international style available from the osm.org layer 
switcher, something maintained by a "GB group" on a separate server, or 
something else?  Would there be changes to the osm.org website to allow 
tiles from it (or another style of the user's choice, such as the 
openstreetmap.de one) to be available as a layer?

Cheers,

Andy



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