[Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

Lester Caine lester at lsces.co.uk
Sat Oct 31 21:24:16 UTC 2015

On 31/10/15 19:51, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> It's the constant moaning whenever something changes that annoys me
>> > most. All the effort that volunteers put in to create and improve the
>> > style, to run the servers, to write the blog posts and announcements
>> > and all we get from Lester is moan moan moan. I've had enough, to be
>> > frank.
> I'd like to broaden this a bit - it's not only about map styles, and not
> only about Lester's complaint.

My only complaint is that many decisions are still unilateral rather
than considered. Personally I could be contributing a lot more to the
software if it was using main stream tools rather than some of the
exotic elements that seem to be the in thing because of someone's pet
interest. But that is a problem across a whole gamete of open source
projects these days. We are now stuck with some elements which are less
than ideal and have to now work around them, so perhaps it is time to
isolate the data even further from the graphical tools and make it
easier to use with all tools?

How much bigger would the programmer base have been if a different base
had been adopted at the start. It's problematic enough adding python,
perl and java to a base of C/C++, PHP, javascript, css and html without
adding Ruby into the mix, and the spiralling range of tools and
libraries 'improving' javascript, css and the essential responcive
browser interfaces is spreading everything thinner and thinner. I'm
looking at the OHM rendering problem, and Kartotherian is now being
pushed from that side and I can't see why we have to be using different
bases to do exactly the same job? Why can't we have a single base?

SO I repeat what I said earlier? Is there ANYBODY who has an interest in
creating a simple generic system for creating material across the whole
spread of data that we have to work with. Initially targeting the vast
range of UK current and historic data. A vector based rendering system
is probably the right way to go and the OSMAND rendering works well and
as far as I can tell ALLOWS a selectable rendering style? But that is
yet another tangent and ring fenced solution :(

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