[Talk-GB] Anybody a member of CAMRA?

[Ed Loach]

Dave F. wrote:

> Considering CAMRA's What Pub? website is volunteer, crowd sourced, I was 

> mildly disappointed to see it using Google maps. I've just this minute 

> written an email to them explaining some of the advantages of using OSM.

 

Andrew Black commented:

> My concern is the quality of their location data - they suffer from the

> well known myth that a postcode defines the location.

 

Jerry added:

> The data in WhatPub should essentially be regarded as a commercial dataset

> which has value for CAMRA

and

> On the other hand using an OSM base map ought to be a reasonable thing to

> do.

 

I'm on the CAMRA WhatPub email list and a couple of people have suggested using OSM as recently as August (I might have been one).

 

Quick summary:

Each branch maintains the data for the pubs in their branch area, so quality varies from area to area

Each branch maintains their data in a system which isn't WhatPub (many use one of SPILE, HOPS or Pubzilla, though some have their own)

There are mechanisms for sending updates to WhatPub (CSV import or API)

 

Our branch (Tendring CAMRA) uses Spile (and I maintain the data). When adding a new pub you can optionally specify latitude and longitude (I always do) most easily by dragging a pin on a Google aerial view. If these aren't specified than WhatPub will use the postcode as the best information it has.

 

I agree with Jerry's comments.

 

Dave also wrote:

> Ancillary data such as beer lists, food, opening times etc, is probably valuable to 

> CAMRA, but I don't see it as relevant to OSM. These sort of things change so 

> often, it's out of date almost as soon as it's recorded. Just a tag to their website is 

> needed.

 

If you do add a link, then you don't need all of

http://whatpub.com/pubs/MAN/9899/eagle-inn-salford

the ID is meant to remain the same whether the pub moves branch (if branch boundaries change/new branch is formed) and whether the pub name changes so

http://whatpub.com/pubs/MAN/9899/

will work even if the pub name changes.

 

> However a list of just pub names & locations that could be checked against OSM database would 

> potentially benefit both parities. Pubs that are only in OSM could be listed in What Pub as a 'to do' 

> so encourage CAMRA members to pay them a visit. 

 

I mentioned the WhatPub email list. One thread began because of

https://twitter.com/RealAleNet/status/626804090555621377?s=03

so it looks like at that time OSM had about 29,000 pubs (see below - that seems low). WhatPub's home page says it has details of over 35,000 real ale pubs (it doesn't show how many non-real ale pubs and closed pubs are also in the database)

 

> I was trying to find out how many GB pubs/bars there were in OSM. Didn't Taginfo used to have a 

> option to just search the UK? It appears to have been removed. Is there another way?

 

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk

shows 35,387 amenity=pub

 

Ed

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