[Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

Chris Hill osm at raggedred.net
Wed Dec 21 11:53:19 UTC 2016


Owen, I’ve seen that before, but it is at odds with my experience.

I have asked ERoY council to release their Rights of Way data under OGL repeatedly. I have asked by email, through their customer services web page, by twitter, by letter, by telephone, by asking my local councillors to help and every time they refuse, saying there is no need as they publish the data on a (copyright) map. There are various other Open Data requests against ERoY council, all have been refused. 

When I spoke on the telephone I used rowmaps as an example of how they had already released the data under OGL. I was told there was no record of this data being released under any open licence. 

This is why I tried to contact Barry to get an explanation and to strengthen my case. He has not replied to me.

Chris Hill
(User chillly)



> On 21 Dec 2016, at 11:42, Owen Boswarva <owen.boswarva at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The circumstances under which the East Riding of Yorkshire data was provided to rowmaps are set out here:
> 
> http://www.rowmaps.com/datasets/EY/ <http://www.rowmaps.com/datasets/EY/>
> 
> I've no reason to mistrust Barry's account. But there is obviously a provenance issue for other users if the Council as copyright holder has not confirmed the licensing publicly.
> 
> This is a case by case problem, as the OGL status of some of the other rights of way datasets on rowmaps can be confirmed via council sites.
> 
> I can't see that http://www.rowmaps.com/ <http://www.rowmaps.com/> has rights of way data for Hull.
> 
> Owen
> @owenboswarva
> 
> On 21 December 2016 at 11:32, Dave F <davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com <mailto:davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com>> wrote:
> Interesting. Under what license to you believe East Riding issued the data that ROWmaps is using?
> 
> DaveF.
> 
> On 21/12/2016 11:17, Chris Hill wrote:
>> Row maps is definitely not based on OGL data. It includes E Yorks and Hull data that both councils have explicitly refused to release as OGL.
>> 
>> I have asked Barry for his sources and there has been a stoney silence. If anyone has used rowmaps as a source for OSM edits I would revert that edit. 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Hill
>> (User chillly)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 Dec 2016, at 11:10, Dave F <davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com <mailto:davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 21/12/2016 11:04, David Woolley wrote:
>>>> A more complete answer is "probably not", as it is unlikely that many definitive maps are provided under such a licence.  If they are, they will almost certainly be online.
>>>> 
>>>> It is also unlikely that anyone providing physical access to the map will know the copyright status.
>>> 
>>> Could you expand on your claims please.
>>> 
>>> Why do you believe the data on http://www.rowmaps.com/ <http://www.rowmaps.com/> isn't OGL & the distributor wouldn't know?
>>> 
>>> DaveF
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