[Talk-GB] New users and P2

[Paul Berry]

I can't but comment on my own experiences but for quick, simple updates, iD
is the way to go (and it can handle a lot more than that). You'll notice
that the [Edit] dropdown shows, in order: iD, Potlatch 2, Remote Control
(for JOSM or similar). I'm presuming these options are only coincidentally
in alphabetical order and are actually ranked from beginner to expert in
terms of ease-of-use and power. Certainly my own stats reflect this (
http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Paul%20Berry).

And yet, not one of the main editors does everything I want. There is
always scope for improvement or specialisation :)

Regards,
*Paul*


On 25 February 2016 at 15:37, Gregory <nomoregrapes at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Probably a side-effect of being more recently created, but I've got the
> impression iD is easier to make coded adjustments to & specialised
> implementations of (certainly these exist).
>
> That's just another small sales point for iD. But also provides the
> argument: if you can't get improvements added, fork it and add them
> yourself (could apply to Potlatch too).
>
> Anyway, I use JOSM mainly. I agree with Jerry(SK53) in that we should be
> supporting multiple editors and even specialised ones (for data-types or
> entry-device).
>
> From "Durham Ridge",
> Gregory.
>
> On 25 February 2016 at 15:13, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Apart from other factors a very strong reason for favouring iD over P2 is
>> that the latter is Flash-based, It therefore has a degree of in-built
>> obsolescence, and may not be allowed for security reasons in some
>> organisations.
>>
>> iD has been the default editor for a number of years now (just under 3
>> IIRC), and the bulk of additional code for on-line editors is added to iD,
>> mainly by MapBox. There have been enhancements to P2 too, but these are
>> many fewer. So the latter is neither obsolete, nor in an end-of-life stage.
>> However, when it's end comes it's likely to be swift as flash gets
>> eliminated by major browsers.
>>
>> There's still plenty of space for on-line editors (for instance one which
>> deals with highways, buildings etc as primitive objects rather than OSM
>> elements as the current ones do): but whether anyone is willing to take on
>> the odium of maintaining an OSM editor is moot.
>>
>> Furthermore, editors on mobile devices are much less mature, and there
>> are substantial potential benefits in reducing or even eliminating the
>> survey-edit-update cycle.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> On 25 February 2016 at 13:15, Dave F <davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What's wrong with with suggesting users use P2 over iD?
>>>
>>> P2 has a few advantages over other editors. The only real benefit I've
>>> noticed in iD is it prevents loading of data if user is zoomed too far out.
>>> Something that Richard Fairhurst might be able to implement fairly easily
>>> into P2.
>>>
>>> I'm even less encouraged to use iD after a couple of conversations with
>>> two of the developers (the only two?). They appear resentful to many of the
>>> suggestions for improvement.
>>>
>>> From memory Richard F. was a developer in the start up of iD, Is he
>>> still involved?
>>>
>>> Dave F.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/02/2016 09:30, Philip Barnes wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu Feb 25 06:43:23 2016 GMT, Andy Robinson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I noticed that too Rob. Day before yesterday they all seemed to start
>>>>> at the same time so I assumed it was uni students.
>>>>>
>>>>> We spotted them as new users from the bot that reports in  #osm-gb.
>>>>
>>>> They were spread over the country,  I assume the lecturer hasn't
>>>> updated his notes, the default if you hit the edit button as a new user is
>>>> iD.
>>>>
>>>> Phil (trigpoint)
>>>>
>>>>> From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nickerson at gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: 25 February 2016 00:24
>>>>> To: Talk-GB
>>>>> Subject: [Talk-GB] New users and P2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone aware of any recent OSM press - we've seen a lot of new OSM
>>>>> mappers in the Midlands in the last 2 days :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Also is Potlatch 2 still the default for new mappers as they all seem
>>>>> to be using that? I though we'd switched to iD as the default across all
>>>>> browsers now (although I don't remember where I read that!).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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