[Talk-GB] New users and P2

Thu Feb 25 17:38:48 UTC 2016

There's already an android app that does some of that: 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.guillaumin.android.osmtracker

I record traces and add notes/markers for various things and take 
photos, export it as a gpx, share the trace/photos to google drive, then 
download them for use in iD.

Apparently you can customise the buttons to show different things, 
haven't tried it yet though.

On 25/02/2016 17:04, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
>
>
> One thought I've had for a long time (and have probably mentioned in 
> the past) is a walkers' editor (app rather than web-based). To be 
> used something like:
>
>
> User goes for walk and records GPX trace, following this sort of pattern.
>
>
> Each time the type of right of way changes, the user selects a high 
> level type ("Public Footpath", "Public Bridleway" etc in the UK) 
> together with optional surface tags.
>
>
> User can also enter relevant POIs like stiles, gates etc when they are 
> encountered.
>
>
> When user returns home, track simplification algorithm used to make a 
> way from the GPX trace and tags it with the tags equivalent to the ROW 
> type.
>
>
> User downloads data from OSM and algorithms are used to auto-join the 
> user's new ways to existing ways where appropriate (or alternatively, 
> the user does this manually)
>
>
> Would there be any interest in this I wonder?
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Gregory <nomoregrapes at googlemail.com>
> *Sent:* 25 February 2016 15:37
> *To:* Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] New users and P2
> Probably a side-effect of being more recently created, but I've got 
> the impression iD is easier to make coded adjustments to & specialised 
> implementations of (certainly these exist).
>
> That's just another small sales point for iD. But also provides the 
> argument: if you can't get improvements added, fork it and add them 
> yourself (could apply to Potlatch too).
>
> Anyway, I use JOSM mainly. I agree with Jerry(SK53) in that we should 
> be supporting multiple editors and even specialised ones (for 
> data-types or entry-device).
>
> From "Durham Ridge",
> Gregory.
>
> On 25 February 2016 at 15:13, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com 
> <mailto:sk53.osm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Apart from other factors a very strong reason for favouring iD
>     over P2 is that the latter is Flash-based, It therefore has a
>     degree of in-built obsolescence, and may not be allowed for
>     security reasons in some organisations.
>
>     iD has been the default editor for a number of years now (just
>     under 3 IIRC), and the bulk of additional code for on-line editors
>     is added to iD, mainly by MapBox. There have been enhancements to
>     P2 too, but these are many fewer. So the latter is neither
>     obsolete, nor in an end-of-life stage. However, when it's end
>     comes it's likely to be swift as flash gets eliminated by major
>     browsers.
>
>     There's still plenty of space for on-line editors (for instance
>     one which deals with highways, buildings etc as primitive objects
>     rather than OSM elements as the current ones do): but whether
>     anyone is willing to take on the odium of maintaining an OSM
>     editor is moot.
>
>     Furthermore, editors on mobile devices are much less mature, and
>     there are substantial potential benefits in reducing or even
>     eliminating the survey-edit-update cycle.
>
>     Jerry
>
>     On 25 February 2016 at 13:15, Dave F <davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com
>     <mailto:davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com>> wrote:
>
>         What's wrong with with suggesting users use P2 over iD?
>
>         P2 has a few advantages over other editors. The only real
>         benefit I've noticed in iD is it prevents loading of data if
>         user is zoomed too far out. Something that Richard Fairhurst
>         might be able to implement fairly easily into P2.
>
>         I'm even less encouraged to use iD after a couple of
>         conversations with two of the developers (the only two?). They
>         appear resentful to many of the suggestions for improvement.
>
>         From memory Richard F. was a developer in the start up of iD,
>         Is he still involved?
>
>         Dave F.
>
>
>
>         On 25/02/2016 09:30, Philip Barnes wrote:
>
>
>             On Thu Feb 25 06:43:23 2016 GMT, Andy Robinson wrote:
>
>                 I noticed that too Rob. Day before yesterday they all
>                 seemed to start at the same time so I assumed it was
>                 uni students.
>
>             We spotted them as new users from the bot that reports in 
>             #osm-gb.
>
>             They were spread over the country,  I assume the lecturer
>             hasn't updated his notes, the default if you hit the edit
>             button as a new user is iD.
>
>             Phil (trigpoint)
>
>                 From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nickerson at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:rob.j.nickerson at gmail.com>]
>                 Sent: 25 February 2016 00:24
>                 To: Talk-GB
>                 Subject: [Talk-GB] New users and P2
>
>
>                 Hi,
>
>                 Is anyone aware of any recent OSM press - we've seen a
>                 lot of new OSM mappers in the Midlands in the last 2
>                 days :-)
>
>                 Also is Potlatch 2 still the default for new mappers
>                 as they all seem to be using that? I though we'd
>                 switched to iD as the default across all browsers now
>                 (although I don't remember where I read that!).
>
>
>
>                 Rob
>
>
>
>
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