[Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

Paul Bivand paul.bivand at blueyonder.co.uk
Sat Jan 2 13:42:47 UTC 2016

Hi all.

Can't keep up with these quarterly projects - I'm still on postboxes etc. 
Which aren't yet properly surveyed for areas I can easily get to. (ME and DA)

However, on this one, the England school lists are kept up to date - it's just 
they put them on .GOV.UK (shouting) which of course is the best way of hiding 

This seems to be the current page: 

Academisation followed by changes in sponsorship, chains going belly-up, seems 
to result in an acceleration in changes of name, so the up to date DfE list 
should be preferred to anything from OSSV. The previous name could be added as 
old_name or alt_name. The latter on the grounds that local parents will 
normally continue using the old name and the academy branding is just for 
official purposes. The churning of names is equally likely to apply to Free 
Schools. (which are as free (money) as the others and just as controlled by 
DfE contracts as academies....)

Paul Bivand (paulbiv)

On Saturday 02 Jan 2016 12:51:19 Brian Prangle wrote:
> Happy New Year! (and Happy New Mapping Year!) The first Quarterly Project
> for 2016 is now under way and is Schools. There are really two strands to
> this project.
> The first is to remotely (armchai)r map and get an increase in coverage of
> the number of schools
> The latest government data is for January 2012 which shows 24,372 schools
> in England (including nursery schools, state-funded primary schools,
> state-funded secondary schools, special schools, pupil referral units and
> independent schools.)
> For Wales that data is from January 2015 : 13 Nursery Schools; 1,330
> primary schools;6 middle schools;207 secondary schools;and 37 special
> schools.
> For Scotland data is from September2011 and shows 2,553 pre-schools, 2,081
> primary schools, 367 secondary schools and 158 special schools.
> For Northern Ireland data is from October 2015 and shows 96 nursery
> schools; 827 primary schools; 202 secondary schools and 39 special schools.
> Additionally there are 14 independent schools and 1 hospital school.
> That gives a total of 32,318 schools. Taginfo shows 27,191 schools which is
> 84.1% coverage in OSM. However 6,348 are represented as nodes only. It
> would be great to have these as polygons and associated buildings. It would
> also be great to have close to 100% coverage.
> This data comes from a cursory web search. If anyone has better or newer
> data, it's welcome.
> Schools can be remotely mapped (armchair mapping) by using Ordnance Survey
> OpenData StreetView(OSSV) data where school buildings are individually
> identified (but not always named). This data needs to be cross-checked with
> Bing aerial imagery which can often show OSSV schools as either having been
> demolished with a resultant brownfield site or housing redevelopment, or
> with buildings having been demolished and rebuilt in a new configuration.
> Often where a school site has ceased to exist, a completely new school site
> has been constructed nearby.
> The second strand is for those who prefer surveying: existing school names
> change (e.g change to Academy Status, amalgamations); there will schools in
> OSM with no name, and with the advent of free schools, new ones will be
> appearing constantly.
> So there's plenty to do over the next few months!
> There's a progress table
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5
> ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=0> already established. You'll need to access the sheet
> marked Schools

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