[Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

Dudley Ibbett dudleyibbett at hotmail.com
Mon Jan 4 20:01:04 UTC 2016

Hi Rob


It seems that if we are thinking about charitable
organisation we need to be careful about whether we are talking about “aims” or
“objectives”.  Quoting : http://www.ces-vol.org.uk/about-performance-improvement/about-monitoring-evaluation/planning-for-monitoring-evaluation/aims.html
“Aims are the changes you are trying to achieve.” and “Objectives are the
methods or activities by which you achieve your aims”.  


My initial thought for an objective was:  “To facilitate and encourage the development
and use of Openstreetmap in the UK”. 
Although this looks like more of an “aim” according to the above.


I do think including “use” is important.  There are clearly large data users but this
also works down at an individual level.  I
started by using an OSM map on my Garmin for example before I then became
involved in improving the map.  So
encouraging use could well lead to more development.  I also think that using the map helps
feedback into improving the overall quality of development.


Personally I’m not sure about “increase the number of data
contributors” as a primary objective.  I
know of a chair for one organisation that decided that this was very important
and ended up undermining the aim of the organisation.  I also not that keen on “keep their
motivation”.   It strikes me as quite a
difficult objective to achieve and assess the organisations success against,
given how many individual motivations seem to exist in the OSM community.    


Perhaps we need to restructure this with aims and objectives
to achieve these.  If we want to keep the
option of a charitable organisation open then presumably the aims will also need to
be “charitable”.


Kind Regards



Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:12:25 +0000
From: rob.j.nickerson at gmail.com
To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org; rjw62 at cantab.net
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

On 3 January 2016 at 16:45, Brian Prangle <bprangle at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Proposed aims for UKOSM:
>> The aims of (eventual name) are:
>> To increase the number of data contributors;develop their skills and keep
>> their motivation so that new contributors become active mappers to improve
>> and maintain OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
>> To provide a national point of contact for UK organisations wishing to use
>> OSM data or contribute data to OSM.
>> To engage in  activities and provide  services that are consistent with
>> achieving these aims.

Robert W wrote:
>I think those are all good. From a personal point of view (and to
>allow more flexibility if we want to) I'd also like to see:
>* Something more explicit to allow the group to create / support /
>encourage the use of tools to improve OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
>(The first point above could be read as just focusing on the mappers,
>rather than the wider aim of improving the data by any other means.)>

Hi Robert,

I think your first point is already covered in Brian's first. As a general note (as I was getting confused whilst discussing this at the mapping event last week) the aim here is to get a high level set of aims. To test them you should ask yourself "does my project idea fit within the aims". In this case I think tools to improve data ("the project") would be one solution to the "keep them motivated [...] to improve [...] OpenStreetMap data" in Brian's first point. To use the earlier phrase Get, Train, Retain (or Obtain, Train, Retain if you prefer :-) ) then this would be part of the Retain strategy. Shout out if you disagree and I may be incorrectly interpreting.

Your other point on data users is a good one. I'll let others weigh in with their views but I was also thinking that "facilitate the [...} contribution of data [...] to OSM" is needed. This is the "promote the release of OpenData" but put in a way that also covers other data sets. I like your wording here.


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