[Talk-GB] Schools Project
Christian Ledermann
christian.ledermann at gmail.com
Thu Jun 2 20:17:30 UTC 2016
On 2 June 2016 at 21:04, Gregory Marler <info at nomoregrapes.com> wrote:
> So the polygon is from the OS open data?
>
>> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
> I don't think OS open data counts as the functional site, I think it is a
> poor-quality(or low-resolution?) of the school property/boundary and so
> doesn't need special tags beyond source (additionally add
> source:outline=os_open if you really wish).
functionalsite refers to the os-open name of the shapefile
>
>
> I think your tool would be better if it clearly said "The highlighted
> polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school outline is already shown
> on the base map behind, then you should manually add the tags (& edubase
> reference manually) to that object."
>
good idea, thanks :-)
> Others on this list/community may have concerns, they should speak up or it
> relies on the OSM Imports mailing list being sure this is suitable.
> Can someone confirm that we do have copyright permission/ability for the
> Edubase data? I.e. we can do go beyond "using it to conduct a survey, or add
> only the ref" and we can directly add all those attributes with an import
> tool?
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>
> From two roads away from a local primary school,
> Gregory.
>
>
>
> On 2 June 2016 at 20:31, Christian Ledermann <christian.ledermann at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>>
>> Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>> Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>> What would you like to see as improvements?
>>
>> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>>
>> On 1 June 2016 at 21:41, Christian Ledermann
>> <christian.ledermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > about operator tag
>> > should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else?
>> >
>> > On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann
>> > <christian.ledermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler <info at nomoregrapes.com> wrote:
>> >>> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>> >>>
>> >>> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would
>> >>> be
>> >>> good.
>> >>
>> >> source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?
>> >>
>> >> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this
>> >>> might
>> >>> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
>> >>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032
>> >>
>> >> right, thanks :-)
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> From Durham,
>> >>> Gregory.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann
>> >>> <christian.ledermann at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
>> >>>> You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> application
>> >>>> It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test
>> >>>> server!
>> >>>> You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
>> >>>> <christian.ledermann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> > I updated the
>> >>>> > https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
>> >>>> > branch with your comments
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso <eric.grosso.os at gmail.com>
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> Thanks a lot.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Some feedback about your code:
>> >>>> >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>> >>>> >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>> >>>> >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>> >>>> >> * in this line: schools_file = open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR,
>> >>>> >> 'data',
>> >>>> >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>> >>>> >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv)
>> >>>> >> should
>> >>>> >> be
>> >>>> >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look
>> >>>> >> at
>> >>>> >> it
>> >>>> >> later.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Thanks again.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Eric
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
>> >>>> >> <christian.ledermann at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> from
>> >>>> >>> https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> you have to download the
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open`
>> >>>> >>> Products
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>> >>>> >>> sligtly improved documentation
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the
>> >>>> >>> schooldata
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from
>> >>>> >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
>> >>>> >>> and
>> >>>> >>> `School contact details` from
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv
>> >>>> >>> before
>> >>>> >>> using it. The headers must be:
>> >>>> >>> 'SeedCode',
>> >>>> >>> 'LA Name',
>> >>>> >>> 'Centre Type',
>> >>>> >>> 'School Name',
>> >>>> >>> 'Address 1',
>> >>>> >>> 'Address 2',
>> >>>> >>> 'Address 3',
>> >>>> >>> 'Post code',
>> >>>> >>> 'E-mail',
>> >>>> >>> 'Phone',
>> >>>> >>> 'Primary_school',
>> >>>> >>> 'Secondary',
>> >>>> >>> 'Special',
>> >>>> >>> 'Primary roll',
>> >>>> >>> 'Secondary roll',
>> >>>> >>> 'Special roll',
>> >>>> >>> 'Primary1',
>> >>>> >>> 'Secondary1',
>> >>>> >>> 'Special1',
>> >>>> >>> 'Denomination'
>> >>>> >>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included
>> >>>> >>> here.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso <eric.grosso.os at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>> > Hi Christian,
>> >>>> >>> >
>> >>>> >>> > Thanks for this app.
>> >>>> >>> >
>> >>>> >>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file:
>> >>>> >>> > opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
>> >>>> >>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it
>> >>>> >>> > isn't
>> >>>> >>> > mentionned
>> >>>> >>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
>> >>>> >>> >
>> >>>> >>> > Cheers,
>> >>>> >>> > Eric
>> >>>> >>> >
>> >>>> >>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
>> >>>> >>> > <christian.ledermann at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle <bprangle at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >>> >> > Hi Christian
>> >>>> >>> >> >
>> >>>> >>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability
>> >>>> >>> >> > required
>> >>>> >>> >> > for
>> >>>> >>> >> > the
>> >>>> >>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a
>> >>>> >>> >> > browser-based
>> >>>> >>> >> > app
>> >>>> >>> >> > that
>> >>>> >>> >> > ordinary folk can use?
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and
>> >>>> >>> >> deploy
>> >>>> >>> >> it.
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking
>> >>>> >>> >> for
>> >>>> >>> >> some
>> >>>> >>> >> early feedback
>> >>>> >>> >> so I would not be barking up the wrong tree
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >
>> >>>> >>> >> > Regards
>> >>>> >>> >> >
>> >>>> >>> >> > Brian
>> >>>> >>> >> >
>> >>>> >>> >> > On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian Ledermann
>> >>>> >>> >> > <christian.ledermann at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> Hi,
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
>> >>>> >>> >> >> Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> Please have a look and let me know what you think.
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> --
>> >>>> >>> >> >> Best Regards,
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> Christian Ledermann
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> >>>> >>> >> >> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> >>>> >>> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> <*)))>{
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that
>> >>>> >>> >> >> we
>> >>>> >>> >> >> have
>> >>>> >>> >> >> left,
>> >>>> >>> >> >> you will also automatically save the physical environment,
>> >>>> >>> >> >> too.
>> >>>> >>> >> >> But
>> >>>> >>> >> >> If
>> >>>> >>> >> >> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately
>> >>>> >>> >> >> lose
>> >>>> >>> >> >> both.
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the
>> >>>> >>> >> >> above.
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> }<(((*>
>> >>>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> >>> >> >> Talk-GB mailing list
>> >>>> >>> >> >> Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org
>> >>>> >>> >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>> >>>> >>> >> >
>> >>>> >>> >> >
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> --
>> >>>> >>> >> Best Regards,
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> Christian Ledermann
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> >>>> >>> >> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> >>>> >>> >> https://github.com/cleder/
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> <*)))>{
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we
>> >>>> >>> >> have
>> >>>> >>> >> left,
>> >>>> >>> >> you will also automatically save the physical environment,
>> >>>> >>> >> too. But
>> >>>> >>> >> If
>> >>>> >>> >> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately
>> >>>> >>> >> lose
>> >>>> >>> >> both.
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the
>> >>>> >>> >> above.
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> }<(((*>
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> >>> >> Talk-GB mailing list
>> >>>> >>> >> Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org
>> >>>> >>> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>> >>>> >>> >
>> >>>> >>> >
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> --
>> >>>> >>> Best Regards,
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Christian Ledermann
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> >>>> >>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> >>>> >>> https://github.com/cleder/
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> <*)))>{
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have
>> >>>> >>> left,
>> >>>> >>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too.
>> >>>> >>> But If
>> >>>> >>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose
>> >>>> >>> both.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the
>> >>>> >>> above.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> }<(((*>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> > Best Regards,
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Christian Ledermann
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> >>>> > Mobile : +44 7474997517
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> >>>> > https://github.com/cleder/
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > <*)))>{
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have
>> >>>> > left,
>> >>>> > you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But
>> >>>> > If
>> >>>> > you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose
>> >>>> > both.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > }<(((*>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Best Regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Christian Ledermann
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> >>>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> >>>> https://github.com/cleder/
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <*)))>{
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have
>> >>>> left,
>> >>>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But
>> >>>> If
>> >>>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose
>> >>>> both.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> }<(((*>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> Talk-GB mailing list
>> >>>> Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org
>> >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Gregory Marler
>> >>> No More Grapes
>> >>> 07939 689 691
>> >>> info at nomoregrapes.com
>> >>> http://www.nomoregrapes.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Christian Ledermann
>> >>
>> >> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> >> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>> >>
>> >> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> >> https://github.com/cleder/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <*)))>{
>> >>
>> >> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> >> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> >> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>> >>
>> >> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>> >>
>> >> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>> >>
>> >> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>> >>
>> >> }<(((*>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best Regards,
>> >
>> > Christian Ledermann
>> >
>> > Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> > Mobile : +44 7474997517
>> >
>> > https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> > https://github.com/cleder/
>> >
>> >
>> > <*)))>{
>> >
>> > If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> > you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> > you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>> >
>> > 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>> >
>> > 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>> >
>> > 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>> >
>> > }<(((*>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Christian Ledermann
>>
>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>
>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>
>>
>> <*)))>{
>>
>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>
>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>
>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>
>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>
>> }<(((*>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Talk-GB mailing list
>> Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>
>
>
>
> --
> Gregory Marler
> No More Grapes
> 07939 689 691
> info at nomoregrapes.com
> http://www.nomoregrapes.com
--
Best Regards,
Christian Ledermann
Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/
<*)))>{
If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
1) Don’t drive species to extinction
2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
}<(((*>
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