[Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Projects

SK53 sk53.osm at gmail.com
Mon Mar 14 14:51:45 UTC 2016

Anything covered by FHRS has decent Open Data coverage across the country:
hospitals, care homes, pharmacies.

Charity Care Commission Open Data has a significant overlap with doctors,
dentists, care homes, clinics etc.

Both contain postcodes so one can locate things approximately, but in many
cases there's plenty of other visual cues on aerial imagery or OSSV to
locate these. For smaller GP practices and many dentists a survey may be
necessary because they will be run from an ordinary house.

Some councils provide Open Data listings of Places of Worship (Nottingham
for instance). Be aware that many smaller christian groups and many mosques
may be in atypical premises. I have come across a number of Hindu temples &
Gurdwaras making use of former industrial buildings. The New Basford
Industrial area <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/338712086> in Nottingham
has a surprising number of small places of worship which we would not have
found without the council data.

Although OSSV shows most Places of Worship, unless they are obviously
anglican churches by position, size, and presence in a churchyard, it is
difficult to deduce much more about them. I don't know if OpenMap Local has
any more information. For instance I gather that the distribution of
unitarian churches in Wales is rather interesting, but the information we
have is scant in the extreme.

It should be possible to locate the older established churches in England &
Scotland (and also Church in Wales) through use of old maps &
out-of-copyright guides. GSGS 3906 is very useful for Northern Ireland as
it often includes both the name & denomination of churches. Newer churches
in Northern Ireland may be recognised both by structure & large car parks,
especially when in the rural countryside. As an example there are currently
just over 2400 places of worship in Wales. There are/were about 1400
parishes many of which would have had several non-conformist chapels as
well as the parish church. Only around 350 had denomination=anglican, and
1900 religion=christian. (An additional problem in Wales is that churches,
and non-conformist chapels in particular, have been closing quite rapidly
over the past couple of decades). Finding ways to improve tagging of
existing places of worship, whether through survey or using other
resources, would be useful in its own right.


On 14 March 2016 at 14:15, Stuart Reynolds <stuart at travelinesoutheast.org.uk
> wrote:

> It might also be worth doing some kind of survey to see what motivated
> participants in teh Schools project, what they liked, what they didn't
> like, how we could improve, how they heard of the project (if indeed some
> of the single editors were even aware they were being counted as part of a
> project)
> My interest lies primarily with points of interest data. As many of you
> may recall, I work for one of the traveline regions for public transport
> journey planning. We are most interested, therefore, in the places that
> people actually want to travel to. Hospitals and other medical facilities
> are obviously one of those, as are schools. Churches also seem to be a key
> destination, and I have had contact from organisations that are trying to
> create directories of Mosques and other places of worship.
> At present we buy in our point of interest data. However, we would like to
> use OSM because it is free, and because we don’t have to worry about POI
> locations moving or being missing - we can just create them in the map
> ourselves, and have it in our next data release. On that basis, I
> participated in the schools project because I was slightly horrified at the
> number of schools that were missing in a relatively small area like
> Southend. I didn’t participate in the previous project (which, if I recall,
> was postboxes) because I frankly don’t care about such “micro" objects when
> large objects like schools are missing, and for a future project I would be
> interested in mapping larger objects that we can reasonably accurately fix
> in space and track. So hospitals / medical facilities are one, places of
> worship another, and probably also parks / woods / nature reserves. These
> latter fall into the category of large areas which are not suited to
> points, but where there are defined access points and possibly central
> “information” points that could be considered “main entrances” or the focal
> point of the area.
> Regards,
> Stuart
> ------------------------------------
> Stuart Reynolds
> for traveline south east & anglia
> On 13 Mar 2016, at 17:31, Brian Prangle <bprangle at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone
> Following the extraordinary success of the Schools project we need  to
> decide how to proceed with the next quarter's project.
> There is a view we shoud rollover the project for another quarter so as to
> approach completion.
> I favour rolling it into an ongoing UK national project (similar to the
> Irish Townlands project), keeping the existing tools in place to monitor
> progress. As a byproduct do a major revamp of the UK projects wiki page to
> bring it up to date.
> As for the subject for next quarter's project if we move the Schools
> project to a national project and don't roll it over, a number of ideas
> have been put forward:
> 1. Water: add sewage works, rivers,streams and ponds from OSSV, improve
> lake outlines, improve alignments, separate natural and reservoir
> tags,improve coastlines, add bridges or tunnels where waterways cross
> highways and railways etc.
> 2. Healthcare: add hospitals, doctors, dentists, pharmacies. Or possibly
> just add doctors which is a smaller target. I think national single Open
> Data sources exist for all of these. It will need more surveying than
> Schools (not visible on OSSV or aerial imagery)
> 3. Highway Maxheights, maxwidths, maxweights: various data sources exist
> but I don't  think there's one national resource. Improving this data will
> make our data more usable for routing. There is the possibility to involve
> couriers, haulage companies etc either organisationally, or individual
> drivers
> 4.There's also a suggestion to group-mentor a GSoC (Google Summer of Code)
> project, which I believe doesn't fit well as a quarterly project, as it
> won't involve a wide swathe of the community. We could explore it as an
> additional project
> 5. And a light-hearted suggestion - map some monkey puzzle trees as part
> of this project <https://monkeypuzzletrees.wordpress.com/>
> It might also be worth doing some kind of survey to see what motivated
> participants in teh Schools project, what they liked, what they didn't
> like, how we could improve, how they heard of the project (if indeed some
> of the single editors were even aware they were being counted as part of a
> project)
> As ever: opinions and other suggestions welcome
> Regards
> Brian
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