[Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Summer 2017 July-Sept

SK53 sk53.osm at gmail.com
Tue Jul 11 13:37:21 UTC 2017

Yes I was aware of that one!

Addressing DaveF's issue: I find a map of where buses actually go
invaluable and the transport layer can address that. I often have a
scenario when I'm planning to go somewhere where my first decision point is
whether I can use public transport or absolutely need a car.

However when a bus runs more-or-less weekly this information can be
somewhat misleading: for instance I used the Cambridge-Burwell bus to get
close to Wicken Fen last year because the one which runs through Wicken has
a vestigial service.

Another current French initiative is JungleBus, also one of Florian's
projects, and their approach & tools may be helpful.


On 11 July 2017 at 13:02, Paul Berry <pmberry2007 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Similarly, there is debate as to whether the main concourse bridge at
> Sheffield station is a PRoW (http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22979084).
> This is partly why there are no automated ticket barriers at Sheffield
> (yet).
> Regards,
> *Paul*
> On 11 July 2017 at 12:16, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd look to ask some of the people involved in the Transilien project in
>> France, perhaps Florian Lainez as he's an ex Mappa Mercian. Judging by
>> taginfo <http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qk0> they use
>> railway=train_station_entrance (so much for British english in tags),
>> probably in conjunction with entrance=*.
>> SNCF even have an internal app called mapmygare for adding station
>> details: there is some hope that they may open-source it.
>> A couple of other points about station entrances:
>>    - (Obvious) accessibility info is useful
>>    - ticket barriers (presence or not) where these are close to or part
>>    of the entrance
>>    - opening hours for side entrances (& possibly for ticket barriers
>>    too, suburban stations often leave them open after staff have finished work)
>>    - presence of an intercom (e.g., on E-side of Horsham station) to get
>>    someone to let you through the barrier
>>    - public rights of way through stations (i.e., notional places on
>>    stations where you don't need a ticket). Paul Sladen defended the one
>>    <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/165120168> at Nottingham station.
>>    Here I think 'duck' tagging is the way to proceed, so entrances from the
>>    street should be tagged not tops of stairs from the PRoW.
>> Please also count steps on bridges/subways etc: typically they are 10, 12
>> or 16 treads to a flight. From personal experience the length a flight is
>> as important as the total number of steps: one can take a breather at the
>> end of each flight. So 24 steps in one run are a completely different
>> matter from 2 flights of 12.
>> Cheers,
>> Jerry
>> Jerry
>> On 11 July 2017 at 07:50, Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> Please be adding your snippets of knowledges, tag details, and activity
>>> descriptions to https://wiki.openstreetmap.
>>> org/wiki/UK_2017_Q3_Project:_Bus_Route_Relations_%26_Station_Entrances so
>>> that the less initiated can pick a thing to do.
>>> Regards,
>>>             Jez
>>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 at 23:35 Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11-Jul-17 03:03 AM, Andy Townsend wrote:
>>>> > On 10/07/2017 14:26, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
>>>> >> I have also come across several styles of station tagging, even in my
>>>> >> local (single line) area.
>>>> >
>>>> > What'd be really useful, actually, would someone pointing at a good
>>>> > "example station" in an OSM diary entry or similar and explain how the
>>>> > various bits are tagged (without getting into the holy wars about
>>>> > public transport v1 and v2 route tagging, if possible).
>>>> +1. Even a reasonable example where a 'good' example cannot be found.
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