[Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Ilya Zverev ilya at zverev.info
Fri Nov 3 17:51:59 UTC 2017

First, thanks everyone for checking the import. I've made some improvements regarding addresses, and I removed the "operator" tag. You can see the improvements on the same map. I'd like to join Richard in a search for a review tool, which would allow people from UK to participate.

Seeing that there are possibly ~2% of wrong postcodes, should they be removed from the import? Is there a database that I can check these against?

Andy, thanks for the explanations regarding the Markham Vale.

Brian, thanks for supporting this.

> It may be true that existing high requirements are partly responsible
> for bad imports being attempted, but I do not concur that this means we
> should lower our standards so more imports can pass. To me, this is like
> saying "let's get rid of speed limits, then nobody will be speeding any
> more". It is true but not desirable.

That is not the reason not to fix things. I live and Russia and have seen many issues with speed limits: 60 kph on 12-lane highways being the most common example. This is fixed not by ignoring the issue and appealing to extremes, but by changing the limit or the road. For now it seems that the better an import is described, the more people understand it, the harder it is to please everyone. Obfuscating it, e.g. presenting a raw json and a few Shell stations with better tagging in my case, looks to be the more productive option — and it's okay if in three years somebody finds a few wrong tags. (Not that I'd do it, of course.)

Philip, the shell.co.uk website gives the same opening hours for the Branting Hill station as the source dataset. Basically, everything in the dataset is the same, except for locations, which have been improved by the Navads team.


> 3 нояб. 2017 г., в 18:35, Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> написал(а):
> Looking at some of the Shell stations locally
> I would dispute that the operator is most locations is Shell and that
> the brand should be Shell, but they are independent businesses who have
> a franchise to sell Shell fuel, but Shell do not employ the cashier,
> the mechanics or supply what is sold in the shop.
> The opening hours you propose to add to http://www.openstreetmap.org/wa
> y/200523446 is total bobbins.
> Telford Services has two filling stations, separated by an access road.
> Whilst not part of your import, I would be very surprised if Shell
> Porthmadog didn't sell diesel.
> Phil (trigpoint)
> On Fri, 2017-11-03 at 12:55 +0300, Ilya Zverev wrote:
>> Hi,
>> You might remember a few months ago I discussed here importing of
>> Shell fuel stations. The data provider is Navads, which has a
>> contract with Shell for putting their stations on the map. They asked
>> me to proceed with the import and sent an updated list of the
>> stations. I have prepared an import and would like to do it in a few
>> days.
>> Please help me review the data. Here is the updated map:
>> http://bl.ocks.org/Zverik/raw/ddcfaf2da25a3dfda00a3d93a62f218d/
>> And here is a list of changed tag values for existing fuel stations,
>> for your convenience:
>> https://pastebin.com/KvxiZ9mc
>> This import will be made from Zverik_imports account and will be
>> described at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Navads_Imports page.
>> Ilya
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