[Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Adam Snape adam.c.snape at gmail.com
Thu Nov 16 09:07:27 UTC 2017


Most of that 'strawman' suggestion seems sensible and entirely the right
kind of way for the community to help companies add useful data to the map.
I do however, disagree with the penultimate point. I do not belive that we
should be automatically importing this kind of data. An omission is much
more easily noticed and solved than incorrect imported data.

To add another angle to this discussion. If we are to use these kinds of
datasets in the future  I believe we need to be very clear about the
licencing. All we have is Ilya's word (and I don't dispute it but it is
hardly verifiable) that Shell has instructed a third party to map its
petrol stations on various platforms using a dataset it supplied. Going
forward I believe that we ought to have explicit written permission or
confirmation of an open licence from the copyright holder before
considering importing datasets. Openstreetmap is different to many online
mapping platforms companies might add information to because it involves
the perpetual free public release of all information entered. Has Shell
explicitly consented to this information being released under the ODBL or
compatible licence? I also wonder how Shell obtained its co-ordinate
information and whether we can be reasonably confident that no other
organisation could claim copyright in this information as a derived work.


On 15 November 2017 at 18:38, Brian Prangle <bprangle at gmail.com> wrote:

> Like most discussions we get a useful survey of opinion and some
> elucidation of the nature of the problem, with lots of suggestions, but no
> actual decision on how we are going to proceed, except maintain the status
> quo.  As one of the core objectives of the UK OSM Chapter is to "promote
> and facilitate the release by organisations in the United Kingdom of  data
> that is suitable for use in OpenStreetMap" I'd like to suggest we focus on
> how we can achieve that objective and use this dataset as  a template for a
> methodology we can adopt for future datasets. I might be wrong but I think
> this is the first UK- wide release of data from a commercial body rather
> than a public one and we need to encourage others.
> Here's a strawman to start the discussion:
> Use Harry Wood's improved visualisation as a progress checker, with a
> colour change for  missing filling stations to red
> Get active mappers to add/amend data around their localities or journeys
> Change marker colour for filling stations that are "complete" with Shell
> data where it is correct to green
> Watch the map turn green as we make progress
> We can get going on this straight away whilst we decide on POI checker or
> Map Roulette as a better tool
> Review progress- see if we need a Qarterly Project
> After   say 3 months, we should see how much the active mapping community
> can achieve, and maybe  import the remainder with a "Review=yes/no" tag
> Ask Shell to release their data on the rollout of ev charging points once
> we've made some progress (ev charging points is another story but as we
> move away from fossil fuels OSM can demonstrate its utility in keeping up
> to date for vehile navigation)
> Regards
> Brian
> .
> On 11 November 2017 at 17:36, Rory McCann <rory at technomancy.org> wrote:
>> On 06/11/17 16:45, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>> > Some years ago, we had a data donation, here in the United Kingdom, of
>> > data on cycle shops. These were imported into a tool which (if memory
>> > serves) enabled users to compare them to existing entries, and import
>> > the data to them if useful, or add new objects if necessary. I recall
>> > that it didn't take long for the UK community to process them.
>> >
>> > Can that tool not be repurposed, and thereby avoid the friction that
>> > imports like this seem sadly to cause?
>> I have come across this tool which is designed for "merging" in 3rd
>> party data into OSM in a semi-manual manner. But it's a bit rough around
>> the edges, with no way to add new datasets (I think)
>>      http://poichecker.com/en
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